From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Kai.Grossjohann@CS.Uni-Dortmund.DE (Kai =?iso-8859-15?q?Gro=DFjohann?=) Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Integrate Tramp Date: Sat, 22 Jun 2002 12:14:51 +0200 Sender: emacs-devel-admin@gnu.org Message-ID: References: <200206171631.g5HGVBM13861@aztec.santafe.edu> <200206190223.g5J2NlQ15963@aztec.santafe.edu> <5xd6unqw5g.fsf@kfs2.cua.dk> <200206210940.g5L9ei720274@aztec.santafe.edu> <200206220659.g5M6xW421924@aztec.santafe.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-15 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1024740921 31972 127.0.0.1 (22 Jun 2002 10:15:21 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 22 Jun 2002 10:15:21 +0000 (UTC) Cc: storm@cua.dk, miles@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org Return-path: Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.224.244]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1 (Debian)) id 17LhvN-0008JZ-00 for ; Sat, 22 Jun 2002 12:15:21 +0200 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([199.232.76.164]) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 17LiNy-000820-00 for ; Sat, 22 Jun 2002 12:44:54 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=fencepost.gnu.org) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1 (Debian)) id 17LhvM-00081A-00; Sat, 22 Jun 2002 06:15:20 -0400 Original-Received: from waldorf.cs.uni-dortmund.de ([129.217.4.42]) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1 (Debian)) id 17Lhv0-0007xO-00; Sat, 22 Jun 2002 06:14:58 -0400 Original-Received: from lothlorien.cs.uni-dortmund.de (lothlorien [129.217.19.67]) by waldorf.cs.uni-dortmund.de with ESMTP id g5MAEvb02058; Sat, 22 Jun 2002 12:14:57 +0200 (MES) Original-Received: from lucy.cs.uni-dortmund.de (lucy [129.217.19.80]) by lothlorien.cs.uni-dortmund.de id MAA04932; Sat, 22 Jun 2002 12:14:52 +0200 (MET DST) Original-Received: by lucy.cs.uni-dortmund.de (Postfix, from userid 6104) id BBE233B5E4; Sat, 22 Jun 2002 12:14:51 +0200 (CEST) Original-To: rms@gnu.org In-Reply-To: <200206220659.g5M6xW421924@aztec.santafe.edu> (Richard Stallman's message of "Sat, 22 Jun 2002 00:59:32 -0600 (MDT)") Original-Lines: 30 User-Agent: Gnus/5.090007 (Oort Gnus v0.07) Emacs/21.3.50 (i686-pc-linux-gnu) Errors-To: emacs-devel-admin@gnu.org X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.9 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Emacs development discussions. List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:5091 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:5091 Richard Stallman writes: > Bob suggests autodetection might be ok for a certain usual set of > programs. What do you think? I assume the quickest way to find out if the remote host supports ssh is to just try a connection on the ssh port on that machine. I just tried to connect to port 22 on my desktop machine (which is not reachable because it's behind a firewall). I used open-network-stream. It's been waiting for a couple of minutes already, and no timeout in sight.=B9 Presumably, ssh would be the first thing to try (over telnet and ftp). I stand by my previous opinion: do not try to auto-detect whether ssh or telnet or Kerberos login or SSL-Telnet or ftp or whatnot should be used. Let the user specify this. But do try to autodetect the other parameters, once the network application has been set. For example, autodetect whether base64 encoding or uuencoding should be used. Possibly it's also possible to figure out whether and out-of-band method should be used. kai =B9 Is this experiment unfair due to our specific firewall configuration? I'm not a networking expert. --=20 A large number of young women don't trust men with beards. (BFBS Radio)