From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Reiner Steib Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Image DLLs for the Windows binary of Emacs 22.2 Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2008 23:24:46 +0100 Message-ID: References: <873asf5404.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <47A11D80.4050507@gnu.org> <47AF6D15.50305@gnu.org> Reply-To: Reiner Steib NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1202682374 681 80.91.229.12 (10 Feb 2008 22:26:14 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2008 22:26:14 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Jason Rumney Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Feb 10 23:26:36 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1JOKd5-0001SZ-M4 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 10 Feb 2008 23:26:31 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JOKcc-00011u-A8 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 10 Feb 2008 17:26:02 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1JOKbo-0008TW-JZ for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 10 Feb 2008 17:25:12 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1JOKbm-0008Qi-Im for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 10 Feb 2008 17:25:12 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JOKbm-0008QU-Ay for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 10 Feb 2008 17:25:10 -0500 Original-Received: from mail.uni-ulm.de ([134.60.1.11]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1JOKbi-0004zD-Cg; Sun, 10 Feb 2008 17:25:06 -0500 Original-Received: from bridgekeeper.physik.uni-ulm.de (bridgekeeper.physik.uni-ulm.de [134.60.41.37]) by mail.uni-ulm.de (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m1AMP3rF019809; Sun, 10 Feb 2008 23:25:04 +0100 (MET) Original-Received: from localhost (bridgekeeper.physik.uni-ulm.de [134.60.41.37]) by bridgekeeper.physik.uni-ulm.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7CFD512F24; Sun, 10 Feb 2008 23:25:03 +0100 (CET) X-Face: 1; h7XMU[7l}$T@J.D}5z*w8Tg'}B5ArAWc8>2X~otB; kOjKs8X%|hTC#dG:%Vpx")x7S/`v :VXU#fZW$X$zdhEU.RfVQ@<-m9IuN{Hm"fW{,5]6kR'M*vEs+{5Cj!L(JTRzA$(},?5J=sm; %Od, emacs-devel@gnu.org In-Reply-To: <47AF6D15.50305@gnu.org> (Jason Rumney's message of "Sun, 10 Feb 2008 21:31:01 +0000") User-Agent: Gnus/5.110007 (No Gnus v0.7) Emacs/22.1.90 (gnu/linux) X-DCC-Misty-Metrics: poseidon 1170; Body=2 Fuz1=2 Fuz2=2 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:88676 Archived-At: On Sun, Feb 10 2008, Jason Rumney wrote: > Reiner Steib wrote: >> Any comments or a decision about the other image DLLs? > > Unless someone comes forward willing to do the work involved in > finding an up to date version of each library that builds on > Windows, then it isn't going to happen. I put in the work for the > XPM library, because without that library the toolbar and other > images built into Emacs do not display correctly. Thanks a lot for your work on this. > For other formats, I don't think the benefits outweigh the effort > required. And thanks for the clarification as well. > PS it is not clear from the previous thread which you posted some messages > from what the consensus was. We started talking about incuding libXpm (only) > in Emacs CVS, and in fact Richard seems to be disagreeing with bundling any > image libraries in the binary, Could you please point me to this message? > and instead distributing them alongside Emacs which is what I was > questioning, since I think the "other people say that would be a > pain" was actually in relation to including libXpm in CVS. I think this was some misunderstanding. My understanding is... - It is okay to include the image DLLs in the emacs-22.*-bin-i386.zip file (i.e. as emacs/bin/*.dll when unpacked) [1] if... - they are free software [2] - we make sure that the binaries (DLLs) have whatever notices are required by their licenses [3] - we distribute the source of the DLLs alongside [3], i.e. at the same download directory as emacs-22.*-bin-i386.zip Bye, Reiner. [1] ,----[ http://article.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel/74093 ] | From: Reiner Steib | Date: 2007-07-01 09:03:52 GMT | | On Sun, Jul 01 2007, Richard Stallman wrote: | | > Probably it wasn't clear from the quoted context: The binaries on | > don't include DLLs required to | > display XPM (tool bar), PNG, JPEG and other images in Emacs. | > | > For convenience, let's put these libraries on the site. | | It would be preferable to include the libraries in the zip archive in | the right directory (emacs-22.1/bin/ (?), along with some | README.image-libs file?). `---- Richard responded to this: ,----[ http://article.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel/74124 ] | That sounds convenient for the users. `---- [2] ,----[ http://article.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.bugs/15833 ] | From: Richard Stallman | To: Reiner Steib | Cc: lennart.borgman.073[...], bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org | Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2007 17:00:20 -0400 | Message-ID: | | If there's no problem WRT license issues, I think it would make much | sense to include the image support DLLs in the official Emacs | distribution for windows. | | Are these libraries free software? | If so, I don't mind including them. `---- [3] ,----[ http://article.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel/74079 ] | For convenience, let's put these libraries on the site. | We should distribute the source alongside the binaries, | and we should make sure that the binaries have whatever | notices are required by the licenses. `---- -- ,,, (o o) ---ooO-(_)-Ooo--- | PGP key available | http://rsteib.home.pages.de/