From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Reiner Steib Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: [OT] Mail-Followup-To, Outlook Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2008 20:45:02 +0100 Message-ID: References: <200803201508.m2KF8C0S002150@sallyv1.ics.uci.edu> <006301c88aa9$ffafda40$c2b22382@us.oracle.com> <200803201704.m2KH4HVt023198@sallyv1.ics.uci.edu> <006501c88aaf$9afc6040$c2b22382@us.oracle.com> <200803210707.m2L77Pwo005894@sallyv1.ics.uci.edu> <003301c88b5f$dd14c8e0$0600a8c0@us.oracle.com> <005d01c88b83$578d8c10$0600a8c0@us.oracle.com> Reply-To: Reiner Steib NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1206128831 525 80.91.229.12 (21 Mar 2008 19:47:11 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2008 19:47:11 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Drew Adams Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Mar 21 20:47:41 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1JcnDE-0000tx-VR for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 21 Mar 2008 20:47:37 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JcnCe-0007w1-Ig for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 21 Mar 2008 15:47:00 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1JcnBn-0007b6-CM for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 21 Mar 2008 15:46:07 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1JcnBm-0007aU-O3 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 21 Mar 2008 15:46:06 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JcnBm-0007aO-4z for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 21 Mar 2008 15:46:06 -0400 Original-Received: from mail.uni-ulm.de ([134.60.1.11]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1JcnBl-0004qZ-Hy for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 21 Mar 2008 15:46:05 -0400 Original-Received: from bridgekeeper.physik.uni-ulm.de (bridgekeeper.physik.uni-ulm.de [134.60.41.37]) by mail.uni-ulm.de (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m2LJk3Ed028609; Fri, 21 Mar 2008 20:46:03 +0100 (MET) Original-Received: from localhost (bridgekeeper.physik.uni-ulm.de [134.60.41.37]) by bridgekeeper.physik.uni-ulm.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F0B911A11; Fri, 21 Mar 2008 20:46:03 +0100 (CET) X-Face: 'bg&jY[8V'W&:=~6w"|>}#4/T; w~36ei4NNMyKRR.a$n=$|sWFPF1y]a\>6kc\*#GN]UDM| Ywv, vbL^XF1nIp\:F=$Ei2o&mEe:%N~, :3]vtQ~s9u$9izmX$IF@VgGl7/, ^dbuM<3|AO2}.%|%?kZ 2Y=@\U!~cll^=8Z9ihKq%wmUe1Ky(#kl3T'>Qk0Ia3mCBsTk?E(,X Mail-Followup-To: "Drew Adams" , emacs-devel@gnu.org In-Reply-To: <005d01c88b83$578d8c10$0600a8c0@us.oracle.com> (Drew Adams's message of "Fri, 21 Mar 2008 11:42:39 -0700") User-Agent: Gnus/5.110007 (No Gnus v0.7) Emacs/22.1.92 (gnu/linux) X-DCC-dcc.uncw.edu-Metrics: poseidon 1201; Body=2 Fuz1=2 Fuz2=2 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:93137 Archived-At: [ Broken citation fixed using ``gnus-article-outlook-deuglify-article' ] On Fri, Mar 21 2008, Drew Adams wrote: > Those might be the cat's meow, but with the exception of > Mutt they don't even register on the mail client usage stats > I've seen - e.g. > https://messaging.its.monash.edu.au/stats/client/. We are on a mailing list, so I offer a (slightly outdated) statistic on mailing lists: . Mutt, Kmail and Gnus appear there. ;-) > Most of the universe is nonconformist and disrespectful, it seems. > ;-) As already explained, Mail-Followup-To is not a standard (yet?): >> As it is not a standard and not very widely used, I don't complain >> about anyone _not_ respecting it. Dan's MMV. [...] >> Wrong. Probably nobody is forced to use this software when >> participating on this mailing list. > > Your "probably" is an unwarranted assumption, depending on > how severely one interprets "forced to". I'm using my work > computer with a work mailing address and a work mail client. > I could choose to buy another computer, You could post via Gmane.org without installing any new program. That said, I don't care what client you use. If most of your postings look like the recent ones, I will just adjust my score file and not read your articles anymore. (This is not supposed to be a threat against you; it's just how I always handle this.) > get another mailing address, wait until I'm home to answer mail, and > so on, so I'm not strictly "forced to" use Outlook for this list. [...] > I looked at deuglify.el too. Kammquoting doesn't seem like a > big deal, to me, but I agree that it is not pretty and > reduces readability. It's no problem at all for users of Outlook (Express), but for everyone else. > Anyway, AFAICT, my posts and their wrapped lines are less ugly than > a lot of others. ? > I've reduced the wrap column to 60 - perhaps that will help > a little. Maybe this made it worse. At least, today was the first time I recall that your articles contain so much "Kammquoting". > BTW, the Commentary in deuglify.el speaks of "illegal" > unwrapping, which is no doubt inappropriate terminology. Already fixed in CVS (trunk and Emacs 22.2): "invalid" Bye, Reiner. -- ,,, (o o) ---ooO-(_)-Ooo--- | PGP key available | http://rsteib.home.pages.de/