From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Reiner Steib Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: [OT] Mail-Followup-To, Outlook (was: mode-line tooltips for "[" and "]" in recursive-edit) Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2008 18:45:48 +0100 Message-ID: References: <200803201508.m2KF8C0S002150@sallyv1.ics.uci.edu> <006301c88aa9$ffafda40$c2b22382@us.oracle.com> <200803201704.m2KH4HVt023198@sallyv1.ics.uci.edu> <006501c88aaf$9afc6040$c2b22382@us.oracle.com> <200803210707.m2L77Pwo005894@sallyv1.ics.uci.edu> <003301c88b5f$dd14c8e0$0600a8c0@us.oracle.com> Reply-To: Reiner Steib NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1206121662 6120 80.91.229.12 (21 Mar 2008 17:47:42 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2008 17:47:42 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Drew Adams Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Mar 21 18:48:11 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1JclL2-000234-Fe for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 21 Mar 2008 18:47:32 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JclKS-0000ZO-2K for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 21 Mar 2008 13:46:56 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1JclKN-0000Wf-Dj for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 21 Mar 2008 13:46:51 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1JclKL-0000T6-Rt for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 21 Mar 2008 13:46:51 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JclKL-0000Su-NQ for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 21 Mar 2008 13:46:49 -0400 Original-Received: from mail.uni-ulm.de ([134.60.1.11]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1JclKL-0002Xn-6J for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 21 Mar 2008 13:46:49 -0400 Original-Received: from bridgekeeper.physik.uni-ulm.de (bridgekeeper.physik.uni-ulm.de [134.60.41.37]) by mail.uni-ulm.de (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m2LHkjf7024481; Fri, 21 Mar 2008 18:46:45 +0100 (MET) Original-Received: from localhost (bridgekeeper.physik.uni-ulm.de [134.60.41.37]) by bridgekeeper.physik.uni-ulm.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 73C3810034; Fri, 21 Mar 2008 18:46:45 +0100 (CET) X-Face: 3Phac&+dw=IZHjhua]bp}LH<*p{qzj8u+ List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:93123 Archived-At: [ We should probably take this off-list? ] On Fri, Mar 21 2008, Drew Adams wrote: >> Your mailer does not respect the Mail-Followup-To header [...] > IOW, before jumping to conclusions about causes, what is the symptom > that is bothering you? The Mail-Followup-To header suggest to whom replies should be directed. Then doing a wide reply to Dan's article (with has "Mail-Followup-To: emacs-devel@gnu.org"), Gnus prompts with the following explanation: ,----[ *MESSAGE information message* ] | You should normally obey the Mail-Followup-To: header. In this | article, it has the value of | | emacs-devel@gnu.org | | which directs your response to that address only. | | Most commonly, Mail-Followup-To is used by a mailing list poster to | express that responses should be sent to just the list, and not the | poster as well. | | If a message is posted to several mailing lists, Mail-Followup-To may | also be used to direct the following discussion to one list only, | because discussions that are spread over several lists tend to be | fragmented and very difficult to follow. | | Also, some source/announcement lists are not intended for discussion; | responses here are directed to other addresses. `---- See also and . The former URL lists the following programs as using Mail-Followup-To: qmail, Mutt, nmh, Shuriken, Gnus, and Kmail. As it is not a standard and not very widely used, I don't complain about anyone _not_ respecting it. Dan's MMV. > Unless someone can characterize the problem more concretely > and cite an Outlook preference setting that takes care of > it, I guess you'll have to take up the problem with Devil > Gates. Tell him that his mail client is misbehaving. Wrong. Probably nobody is forced to use this software when participating on this mailing list. More disturbing about your Outlook 11 is the "Kammquoting"[1]. Well, `gnus-article-outlook-deuglify-article' in Gnus can fix often fix it. [2] Bye, Reiner. [1] zig-zag-shaped lines that it's hard to read. See the box on the RHS of http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kammquoting or the commentary section of `lisp/gnus/deuglify.el' In articles <003201c88b5f$c9623670$0600a8c0@us.oracle.com> and <003301c88b5f$dd14c8e0$0600a8c0@us.oracle.com> (the article I'm replying to). [2] ,----[ (info "(gnus)Article Washing") ] | `W Y f' | Full deuglify of broken Outlook (Express) articles: Treat | dumbquotes, unwrap lines, repair attribution and rearrange | citation. (`gnus-article-outlook-deuglify-article'). `---- -- ,,, (o o) ---ooO-(_)-Ooo--- | PGP key available | http://rsteib.home.pages.de/