From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Reiner Steib Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: longlines-mode Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2008 21:03:12 +0100 Message-ID: References: <87k5kvtthe.fsf@stupidchicken.com> Reply-To: Reiner Steib NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1203797007 1037 80.91.229.12 (23 Feb 2008 20:03:27 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2008 20:03:27 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Chong Yidong Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Feb 23 21:03:51 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1JT0b7-0003pB-Fc for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 23 Feb 2008 21:03:49 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JT0ac-0006Xy-1D for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 23 Feb 2008 15:03:18 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1JT0aY-0006WC-Hs for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 23 Feb 2008 15:03:14 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1JT0aW-0006T8-Vw for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 23 Feb 2008 15:03:14 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JT0aW-0006Sy-Sr for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 23 Feb 2008 15:03:12 -0500 Original-Received: from mail.uni-ulm.de ([134.60.1.11]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1JT0aW-0003u6-AD for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 23 Feb 2008 15:03:12 -0500 Original-Received: from bridgekeeper.physik.uni-ulm.de (bridgekeeper.physik.uni-ulm.de [134.60.41.37]) by mail.uni-ulm.de (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m1NK39Js011209; Sat, 23 Feb 2008 21:03:10 +0100 (MET) Original-Received: from localhost (bridgekeeper.physik.uni-ulm.de [134.60.41.37]) by bridgekeeper.physik.uni-ulm.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id A17E712FB2; Sat, 23 Feb 2008 21:03:09 +0100 (CET) X-Face: 1; h7XMU[7l}$T@J.D}5z*w8Tg'}B5ArAWc8>2X~otB; kOjKs8X%|hTC#dG:%Vpx")x7S/`v :VXU#fZW$X$zdhEU.RfVQ@<-m9IuN{Hm"fW{,5]6kR'M*vEs+{5Cj!L(JTRzA$(},?5J=sm; %Od, emacs-devel@gnu.org In-Reply-To: <87k5kvtthe.fsf@stupidchicken.com> (Chong Yidong's message of "Sat, 23 Feb 2008 13:31:25 -0500") User-Agent: Gnus/5.110007 (No Gnus v0.7) Emacs/22.1.90 (gnu/linux) X-DCC-CTc-dcc2-Metrics: poseidon 1031; Body=2 Fuz1=2 Fuz2=2 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by mail.uni-ulm.de id m1NK39Js011209 X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:90151 Archived-At: On Sat, Feb 23 2008, Chong Yidong wrote: > Reiner Steib writes: > >> - The default off `longlines-show-hard-newlines' should be changed to >> t. When set to nil, there's soft and hard newlines are >> indistinguishable. I tried longlines-mode several times, but I >> found it very hard to use until I discovered this option. > > The current default is more familiar to new users, since it is the > behavior in the other editors/editing widgets that longlines-mode > imitates. I don't know of any other editor that marks hard newlines > by default. If the defaults are chosen for similarity to other long-lines editors, I'd guess you should turn on `longlines-wrap-follows-window-size' by default. At least gedit (and notepad.exe, IIRC) do it by default. > I suspect most of the people concerned about identifying soft vs hard > newlines with a glyph are very experienced Emacs users, who should > have no trouble changing the default. Hm, maybe you are right. I use longlines-mode only occasionally (up to now; maybe more often in the future) either when receiving files from others with very long lines or when editing text in Emacs before pasting it e.g. to HTML forms or some M$ programs. Maybe displaying an indicator in the fringe by default? >> - The default value of `longlines-show-effect' [...] [ ... and customizing it. ] >> Maybe splitting string and face would make it easier to customize >> it? > > Good idea. > >> - As the "old name" of `=B6' ("PILCROW SIGN", old name: "PARAGRAPH >> SIGN", U+00B6, 0xB6) indicates, this symbol might be more suitable >> as a default in `longlines-show-effect'. [...] > > I'll play around with it and see how well it works. Thanks. Bye, Reiner. --=20 ,,, (o o) ---ooO-(_)-Ooo--- | PGP key available | http://rsteib.home.pages.de/