Problem with Gnus

Problem with Gnus

[Kim F. Storm]

Updated emacs from CVS today.

When I do M-x gnus, it now asks me

  Convert gnus from version '5.11' to '5.11' (n/y/?)

Q1:  Is this to be expected?

Both gnus-version and gnus-newsrc-file-version are "Gnus v5.11".


Q2:  What about legacy-gnus-agent.el ?

Looking at the code in gnus-start.el, it seems to expect
a file named legacy-gnus-agent.el (also according to ChangeLog).


Anybody else having seen this?

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Re: Problem with Gnus

[Reiner Steib]

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On Wed, Oct 20 2004, Kim F. Storm wrote:

[ Changing the order of the questions...]
> Q2:  What about legacy-gnus-agent.el ?
>
> Looking at the code in gnus-start.el, it seems to expect
> a file named legacy-gnus-agent.el (also according to ChangeLog).
>
> Anybody else having seen this?

Yes.  After adding `legacy-gnus-agent.el' (from the current Gnus
trunk; see attachment) to emacs/lisp/gnus, it worked for me.

Kevin has synched some agent-related bugfixes from the trunk to the
v5-10 branch.  It seems he forgot to install `legacy-gnus-agent.el' in
the v5-10 branch.

In order to minimize the inconvenience, I think it's best if I "cvs
add legacy-gnus-agent.el" in Emacs soon (instead of fixing it in
Gnus/v5-10 and waiting for the semi-automatic syncing).  I have to
leave now, but I can do it in a couple of hours unless someone has a
better suggestion.

> When I do M-x gnus, it now asks me
>
>   Convert gnus from version '5.11' to '5.11' (n/y/?)
>
> Q1:  Is this to be expected?
>
> Both gnus-version and gnus-newsrc-file-version are "Gnus v5.11".

Kevin, could you check for which versions a migration in
`gnus-convert-old-newsrc' is necessary for users of Gnus v5.11?  (This
version is the same as in the v5-10 branch; (gnus-continuum-version)
gives 5.11 whereas No Gnus has 5.110003.)  A problem might be that the
version numbers are not really one-dimensional anymore in the sense of
features.

Bye, Reiner.
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Re: Problem with Gnus

[Kevin Greiner]

Reiner Steib <reinersteib+gmane@imap.cc> writes:

> On Wed, Oct 20 2004, Kim F. Storm wrote:
>
> [ Changing the order of the questions...]
>> Q2:  What about legacy-gnus-agent.el ?
>>
>> Looking at the code in gnus-start.el, it seems to expect
>> a file named legacy-gnus-agent.el (also according to ChangeLog).
>>
>> Anybody else having seen this?
>
> Yes.  After adding `legacy-gnus-agent.el' (from the current Gnus
> trunk; see attachment) to emacs/lisp/gnus, it worked for me.
>
> Kevin has synched some agent-related bugfixes from the trunk to the
> v5-10 branch.  It seems he forgot to install `legacy-gnus-agent.el' in
> the v5-10 branch.
>
> In order to minimize the inconvenience, I think it's best if I "cvs
> add legacy-gnus-agent.el" in Emacs soon (instead of fixing it in
> Gnus/v5-10 and waiting for the semi-automatic syncing).  I have to
> leave now, but I can do it in a couple of hours unless someone has a
> better suggestion.

I've created the v5-10 branch for legacy-gnus-agent.el.  It's
identical to version that you added so all should be well.

>> When I do M-x gnus, it now asks me
>>
>>   Convert gnus from version '5.11' to '5.11' (n/y/?)
>>
>> Q1:  Is this to be expected?
>>
>> Both gnus-version and gnus-newsrc-file-version are "Gnus v5.11".
>
> Kevin, could you check for which versions a migration in
> `gnus-convert-old-newsrc' is necessary for users of Gnus v5.11?  (This
> version is the same as in the v5-10 branch; (gnus-continuum-version)
> gives 5.11 whereas No Gnus has 5.110003.)  A problem might be that the
> version numbers are not really one-dimensional anymore in the sense of
> features.

Strange.  I'll look into it tonight.

Kevin

Re: Problem with Gnus

[Jason Rumney]

>Kevin has synched some agent-related bugfixes from the trunk to the
>v5-10 branch.  It seems he forgot to install `legacy-gnus-agent.el' in
>the v5-10 branch.
>
>  
>
It seems to me he synched  too much, since there is code there now to 
upgrade the gnus files to a future version. But Kevin will know what he 
intended.

>In order to minimize the inconvenience, I think it's best if I "cvs
>add legacy-gnus-agent.el" in Emacs soon (instead of fixing it in
>Gnus/v5-10 and waiting for the semi-automatic syncing).  I have to
>leave now, but I can do it in a couple of hours unless someone has a
>better suggestion.
>  
>
Is that really a sensible thing to do? Now people will have their gnus 
files upgraded to No Gnus 0.2 even though they are using 5.11. Will this 
cause problems? Is there a way to undo this if it does? I'd prefer to 
hear from Kevin about what he really intended before we do anything that 
might mess things up even more.

Re: Problem with Gnus

[Kevin Greiner]

Jason Rumney wrote:

>
>> Kevin has synched some agent-related bugfixes from the trunk to the
>> v5-10 branch.  It seems he forgot to install `legacy-gnus-agent.el' in
>> the v5-10 branch.
>>
>>  
>>
> It seems to me he synched  too much, since there is code there now to 
> upgrade the gnus files to a future version. But Kevin will know what 
> he intended.
>
>> In order to minimize the inconvenience, I think it's best if I "cvs
>> add legacy-gnus-agent.el" in Emacs soon (instead of fixing it in
>> Gnus/v5-10 and waiting for the semi-automatic syncing).  I have to
>> leave now, but I can do it in a couple of hours unless someone has a
>> better suggestion.
>>  
>>
> Is that really a sensible thing to do? Now people will have their gnus 
> files upgraded to No Gnus 0.2 even though they are using 5.11. Will 
> this cause problems? Is there a way to undo this if it does? I'd 
> prefer to hear from Kevin about what he really intended before we do 
> anything that might mess things up even more.
>
>
> .
>
Hopefully, yesterday's check-in has resolved all of this. The upgrade 
functions have been re-assigned to v5.11 since that is where they are 
needed. 


Kevin

Re: Problem with Gnus

[Reiner Steib]

On Fri, Oct 22 2004, Kevin Greiner wrote:

> Jason Rumney wrote:
[...]
>>> In order to minimize the inconvenience, I think it's best if I "cvs
>>> add legacy-gnus-agent.el" in Emacs soon (instead of fixing it in
>>> Gnus/v5-10 and waiting for the semi-automatic syncing).  I have to
>>> leave now, but I can do it in a couple of hours unless someone has a
>>> better suggestion.
>> Is that really a sensible thing to do?

(The file `legacy-gnus-agent.el' has been added via Miles' arch-sync
before your message, because Kevin has committed it in the v5-10
branch of Gnus.)

>> Now people will have their gnus files upgraded to No Gnus 0.2 even
>> though they are using 5.11. Will this cause problems? Is there a
>> way to undo this if it does?

There might be a problem if someone would move from Gnus 5.11 (Emacs
CVS) to an early version of No Gnus.

>> I'd prefer to hear from Kevin about what he really intended before
>> we do anything that might mess things up even more.
[...]
> Hopefully, yesterday's check-in has resolved all of this. 

Gnus works for me, but I don't use the agent.

> The upgrade functions have been re-assigned to v5.11 since that is
> where they are needed.

Hm, as the new agent code is in the v5-10 branch too and we intend to
release 5.10.7 from this branch some day, shouldn't the upgrade
functions be assigned to 5.10.7 *and* we should bump the version in
the v5-10 branch to 5.10.7 [1] now?  Else people using the v5-10
branch outside of CVS-Emacs won't get the proper upgrade functions
(though I doubt that many people use this branch).

Lars, WDYT?

Bye, Reiner.

[1] IIRC, usually the version number is increased (in CVS) from 5.10.x
    to 5.10.x+1 after the release of 5.10.x.  After 5.10.6 this didn't
    happen because it jumped to "No Gnus v0.1".
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Re: Problem with Gnus

[Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen]

Reiner Steib <reinersteib+gmane@imap.cc> writes:

> Hm, as the new agent code is in the v5-10 branch too and we intend to
> release 5.10.7 from this branch some day, shouldn't the upgrade
> functions be assigned to 5.10.7 *and* we should bump the version in
> the v5-10 branch to 5.10.7 [1] now?  Else people using the v5-10
> branch outside of CVS-Emacs won't get the proper upgrade functions
> (though I doubt that many people use this branch).
>
> Lars, WDYT?

Hm...  why is the new agent code in 5.10?  There really shouldn't be
anything there except bug fixes, right?

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  larsi@gnus.org * Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen

Re: Problem with Gnus

[Reiner Steib]

On Sat, Oct 23 2004, Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen wrote:

> Reiner Steib <reinersteib+gmane@imap.cc> writes:
>
>> Hm, as the new agent code is in the v5-10 branch too and we intend to
>> release 5.10.7 from this branch some day, shouldn't the upgrade
>> functions be assigned to 5.10.7 *and* we should bump the version in
>> the v5-10 branch to 5.10.7 [1] now?  Else people using the v5-10
>> branch outside of CVS-Emacs won't get the proper upgrade functions
>> (though I doubt that many people use this branch).
>>
>> Lars, WDYT?
>
> Hm...  why is the new agent code in 5.10?  There really shouldn't be
> anything there except bug fixes, right?

Kevin's changes in 5.10 should fix several bugs in the agent code of
5.10.6.  (I don't know the details since I don't use the agent.)

Bye, Reiner.
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Re: Problem with Gnus

[Kevin Greiner]

Reiner Steib <reinersteib+gmane@imap.cc> writes:

> On Sat, Oct 23 2004, Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen wrote:
>
>> Reiner Steib <reinersteib+gmane@imap.cc> writes:
>>
>>> Hm, as the new agent code is in the v5-10 branch too and we intend to
>>> release 5.10.7 from this branch some day, shouldn't the upgrade
>>> functions be assigned to 5.10.7 *and* we should bump the version in
>>> the v5-10 branch to 5.10.7 [1] now?  Else people using the v5-10
>>> branch outside of CVS-Emacs won't get the proper upgrade functions
>>> (though I doubt that many people use this branch).
>>>
>>> Lars, WDYT?
>>
>> Hm...  why is the new agent code in 5.10?  There really shouldn't be
>> anything there except bug fixes, right?
>
> Kevin's changes in 5.10 should fix several bugs in the agent code of
> 5.10.6.  (I don't know the details since I don't use the agent.)
>
> Bye, Reiner.

There has only been one truely new agent feature added to No Gnus.
That feature was NOT added to the v5-10 branch.  Of the code that was
checked in, the only thing that was not clearly an agent bug fix was
the gnus version upgrade changes.

Kevin

Re: Problem with Gnus

[Reiner Steib]

On Sun, Oct 24 2004, Kevin Greiner wrote:

> Reiner Steib <reinersteib+gmane@imap.cc> writes:
>> On Sat, Oct 23 2004, Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen wrote:
>>> Reiner Steib <reinersteib+gmane@imap.cc> writes:
>>>
>>>> Hm, as the new agent code is in the v5-10 branch too and we intend to
>>>> release 5.10.7 from this branch some day, shouldn't the upgrade
>>>> functions be assigned to 5.10.7 *and* we should bump the version in
>>>> the v5-10 branch to 5.10.7 [1] now?  Else people using the v5-10
>>>> branch outside of CVS-Emacs won't get the proper upgrade functions
>>>> (though I doubt that many people use this branch).

(In the meantime, I heard of some people using the v5-10 branch.)

>>>> Lars, WDYT?
>>>
>>> Hm...  why is the new agent code in 5.10?  There really shouldn't be
>>> anything there except bug fixes, right?
>>
>> Kevin's changes in 5.10 should fix several bugs in the agent code of
>> 5.10.6.  (I don't know the details since I don't use the agent.)
[...]
> There has only been one truely new agent feature added to No Gnus.
> That feature was NOT added to the v5-10 branch.  Of the code that was
> checked in, the only thing that was not clearly an agent bug fix was
> the gnus version upgrade changes.

Lars, is it okay to bump the version in v5-10 branch to 5.10.7 and
assign the agent upgrade functions to 5.10.7?

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Re: Problem with Gnus

[Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen]

Reiner Steib <reinersteib+gmane@imap.cc> writes:

> Lars, is it okay to bump the version in v5-10 branch to 5.10.7 and
> assign the agent upgrade functions to 5.10.7?

Sounds like a good idea.

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Re: Problem with Gnus

[Reiner Steib]

On Sun, Nov 14 2004, Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen wrote:

> Reiner Steib <reinersteib+gmane@imap.cc> writes:
>
>> Lars, is it okay to bump the version in v5-10 branch to 5.10.7 and
>> assign the agent upgrade functions to 5.10.7?
>
> Sounds like a good idea.

Done.

Miles, you don't need to sync those changes.  I have changed
`gnus-start.el' in Emacs and Gnus trunk, too.  (Bumping `gnus-version'
should of course only apply to v5-10.)

Bye, Reiner.
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