How to download and install Emacs CVS?

How to download and install Emacs CVS?

[romeomedina]

Hi all.

I want to download and install Emacs CVS,
because it seems that it better supports chinese writing
(GBK encoding).
However I don't know how to do. Can anyone help?
I was suggested to visit:

http://savannah.gnu.org/cvs/?group=emacs

and run the commands:

$ export CVS_RSH="ssh"
$ cvs -z3 -d:ext:anoncvs@savannah.gnu.org:/cvsroot/emacs co emacs

, which (if I well understand) should download Emacs CVS
and install it directly to my hardrive.
Is that right?
But since I have a slow connection, I wish to first download it,
say copying it onto a CD
and then install it in second stage. Is that possible, and how?

Thanks for any reply,
Rodolfo




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Re: How to download and install Emacs CVS?

[Peter Dyballa]

Am 16.01.2005 um 18:51 schrieb romeomedina@@libero..it:

> $ export CVS_RSH="ssh"
> $ cvs -z3 -d:ext:anoncvs@savannah.gnu.org:/cvsroot/emacs co emacs

These commands will download the complete tree of source. Afterwards 
you would have to run configure and finally invoke 'make bootstrap' (to 
byte-compile the elisp files) and 'make install'.

Complete archives (e.g. emacs-CVS.tar.bz2) can be created by yourself 
-- after downloading some 10 MB!

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Re: How to download and install Emacs CVS?

[Stefan Monnier]

> $ cvs -z3 -d:ext:anoncvs@savannah.gnu.org:/cvsroot/emacs co emacs

> , which (if I well understand) should download Emacs CVS
> and install it directly to my hardrive.
> Is that right?

Well, take a look at what cvs downloaded.  You may even find files with
odd names like INSTALL or (better yet) INSTALL.CVS.


        Stefan

Re: How to download and install Emacs CVS?

[Rodolfo Medina]

Thanks to Peter Dyballa and Stefan Monnier for their help.

That's what I did:
I connected to Internet, then from my '/home/rodolfo' directory did:

$ export CVS_RSH="ssh"
$ cvs -z3 -d:ext:anoncvs@savannah.gnu.org:/cvsroot/emacs co emacs

. These commands created the dir `/home/rodolfo/emacs'
in which the complete tree of source was downloaded:
two hours and a half.
I closed the connection, then from `/home/rodolfo/emacs' I did:

$ ./configure
$ make bootstrap
# make install

This way Emacs was installed in my system.
I have though still the following questions:

1) when I installed Emacs-CVS in Mandrake 9.1 everything seemed to go well,
   except that Emacs is launched without graphical environment,
   with a black background and no possibility to use the mouse.
   Is that normal, or what did I miss?

2) When I repeated the installation in Mandrake 10.1 Community, during the
   'make bootstrap' step the following message went on appearing:

   Warning: arch-independent data dir (/usr/local/share/emacs/21.3.50/etc/)
   does not exist.

   What's wrong? How to fix that? Maybe the lack of important packages?
   Can anyone say which ones?

3) It took two hours and a half to complete the download,
   so it'd be better for me next time to go to an Internet point
   with a fast connection. But Internet points have MS Windows.
   Would it be possible, and how?, to perform the download with MS Windows?

4) Shall I do the daily updates using the same commands I used to download
   or how different?

Thanks indeed,
cheers,
Rodolfo

Re: How to download and install Emacs CVS?

[Matthew Huggett]

>    From: "Rodolfo Medina" <romeomedina@libero.it>
>    Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 13:16:18 +0100
>    
>    This way Emacs was installed in my system.
>    I have though still the following questions:
> 
>    1) when I installed Emacs-CVS in Mandrake 9.1 everything seemed to go well,
>       except that Emacs is launched without graphical environment,
>       with a black background and no possibility to use the mouse.
>       Is that normal, or what did I miss?

I believe that there are some options you need to pass to the
configure script in order to get a gui.  I think this is documented in
INSTALL in the root of the source directory.

Matt  

Re: How to download and install Emacs CVS?

[Reiner Steib]

On Tue, Jan 18 2005, Rodolfo Medina wrote:

> 1) when I installed Emacs-CVS in Mandrake 9.1 everything seemed to go well,
>    except that Emacs is launched without graphical environment,
>    with a black background and no possibility to use the mouse.
>    Is that normal, or what did I miss?

Read the paragraph "GNU/Linux development packages" in INSTALL.  And
also the rest of this file and INSTALL.CVS as suggested by Stefan.

Especially:

,----[ INSTALL.CVS ]
| Questions, requests, and bug reports about the CVS versions of Emacs
| should be sent to emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org rather than gnu.emacs.help
| or gnu.emacs.bug.  Ideally, use M-x report-emacs-bug RET which will
| send it to the proper place.
`----

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Re: How to download and install Emacs CVS?

[Peter Dyballa]

Am 18.01.2005 um 13:16 schrieb Rodolfo Medina:

> $ ./configure
> $ make bootstrap
> # make install

This sequence is OK, but there is much more of choices, particularly a 
windowing environment, i.e. making GNU Emacs a graphical application. 
Try this:

./configure --help

You'll get a huge list. Important is at least '--with-x'. Then you can 
manually choose the X tool kit, GTK or Lucid, as I recommend (Athena is 
very old not very attractive, Motif is not my choice, try a bit of 3D 
look with Xaw-3d). Since the compilation and installation went so fine, 
you could just try a few combinations to see which suits you best. Pay 
attention to the supported graphics formats, you might need them one 
day.

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Re: How to download and install Emacs CVS?

[Eli Zaretskii]

> From: "Rodolfo Medina" <romeomedina@libero.it>
> Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 13:16:18 +0100
> 
> 2) When I repeated the installation in Mandrake 10.1 Community, during the
>    'make bootstrap' step the following message went on appearing:
> 
>    Warning: arch-independent data dir (/usr/local/share/emacs/21.3.50/etc/)
>    does not exist.
> 
>    What's wrong?

Nothing; such message are to be expected during bootstrap, since it
runs the built binary from inside the src directory, without
installing it into the /usr/local tree.  Simply disregard these
messages.

Re: How to download and install Emacs CVS?

[Rodolfo Medina]

Many thanks to all who replied.

Rodolfo wrote:

>when I installed Emacs-CVS in Mandrake 9.1 everything seemed to go well,
>except that Emacs is launched without graphical environment,
>with a black background and no possibility to use the mouse.
>Is that normal, or what did I miss?

It seems that the problem was due to the absence of the `libgtk+2.0_0-devel'
package.
In fact, repeating the Emacs-CVS installation after installing that package,
the problem was solved.

>When I repeated the installation in Mandrake 10.1 Community,
>during the 'make bootstrap' step the following message went on appearing:
>
>Warning: arch-independent data dir
>(/usr/local/share/emacs/21.3.50/etc/)
>does not exist.
>
>What's wrong? How to fix that? Maybe the lack of important packages?
>Can anyone say which ones?

I forgot to say that the installation failed in the end.
Well, I can't explain this problem, but:
after downloading Emacs-CVS into Mandrake 9.1
I had copied it into my '/mnt/windows' directory,
then from there I had copied it into Mandrake 10.1 Community
and installed it there. Now,
a) I noticed that the 78.5 MB size Emacs-CVS source directory
   had become 80.2 MB once copied into '/mnt/windows';
b) I removed the Emacs-CVS source directory from Mandrake 10.1,
   copied it again straight away from Mandrake 9.1 into Mandrake 10.1
   and its size kept 78.5, then repeated the installation
   and this time everything seemed to go well.

Now, some more questions.

1) To do daily updates, is it correct to do
   $ cvs -z3 update -dP
   from the my downloaded Emacs sources directory?;

2) after updating, shall I do
   `$ ./configure', `$ make bootstrap' and `# make install'
   again, or some other commands? I read the INSTALL.CVS file,
   but this point is not clear to me;

3) after the installation, Emacs came up all white, whereas I like the green
   colour of Emacs Mandrake default distribution. I couldn't solve the
problem
   with: `M-x list-display-colors'.
   Can anyone suggest where to find and modify that color setting at one's
pleasure?

Thanks indeed,
cheers,
Rodolfo

Re: How to download and install Emacs CVS?

[David Combs]

In article <mailman.13933.1106069492.27204.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>,
Peter Dyballa  <Peter_Dyballa@Web.DE> wrote:
>
>Am 18.01.2005 um 13:16 schrieb Rodolfo Medina:
>
>> $ ./configure
>> $ make bootstrap
>> # make install
>
>This sequence is OK, but there is much more of choices, particularly a 
>windowing environment, i.e. making GNU Emacs a graphical application. 
>Try this:
>
>./configure --help
>
>You'll get a huge list. Important is at least '--with-x'. Then you can 
>manually choose the X tool kit, GTK or Lucid, as I recommend (Athena is 
>very old not very attractive, Motif is not my choice, try a bit of 3D 
>look with Xaw-3d). Since the compilation and installation went so fine, 
>you could just try a few combinations to see which suits you best. Pay 
>attention to the supported graphics formats, you might need them one 
>day.

Suppose you're using Solaris' CDE as your gui; what's a
reasonable choice, given that.

(CDE suits me just fine, for what little I need from
a gui, so am not currently eager to switch to a different
gui -- if this sentence has anything to do with running
emacs at all; maybe it doesn't, all that counts being
that somewhere down there is an X11, and there is.)

Thanks,

David

Re: How to download and install Emacs CVS?

[Peter Dyballa]

Am 29.01.2005 um 07:05 schrieb David Combs:

> Suppose you're using Solaris' CDE as your gui; what's a
> reasonable choice, given that.

CDE, the Common Desktop Environment, is based on Motif, a commercial X 
toolkit. So Motif should be the first and best fitting choice. (And 
with Motif you have some extra choices for X resources.)

But you don't need to stick to this. Athena is always in X11 -- 
although not the best choice. You can always ask configure to work 
--with- whatever you prefer. When it's not in the system it won't be 
found and configure will fall back to what's there.

If you've once succeeded to install a usable version you can try to 
configure and compile another one with another GUI and start it as 
"src/emacs." If you think that's a better version, install it and try 
the next configuration.

--
Greetings

   Pete

The box said "Use Windows 95 or better," so I got a Macintosh

Re: How to download and install Emacs CVS?

[Stefan Monnier]

>>> $ ./configure
>>> $ make bootstrap
>>> # make install
>> 
>> This sequence is OK, but there is much more of choices, particularly a 
>> windowing environment, i.e. making GNU Emacs a graphical application. 
>> Try this:
>> 
>> ./configure --help
>> 
>> You'll get a huge list. Important is at least '--with-x'. Then you can 

--with-x is already the default if you have X11 installed.

>> manually choose the X tool kit, GTK or Lucid, as I recommend (Athena is
>> very old not very attractive, Motif is not my choice, try a bit of 3D
>> look with Xaw-3d).

In the --with-x-toolkit argument "lucid" and "athena" mean the same.
It also happens to be the default.

> Suppose you're using Solaris' CDE as your gui; what's a
> reasonable choice, given that.

I recommend you stick with the default.  It's the best debugged code.


        Stefan