From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Alan Mackenzie Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: S-up and emacs -nw? Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2002 18:58:38 +0000 Organization: muc.de e.V. -- private internet access Sender: help-gnu-emacs-admin@gnu.org Message-ID: References: <5lr8etd5lk.fsf@rum.cs.yale.edu> <1mfzv2craa.fsf@Tempo.Update.UU.SE> <1melal47d5.fsf@Tempo.Update.UU.SE> <1m1y6l3ukt.fsf@Tempo.Update.UU.SE> <1mof9nc5h1.fsf@Tempo.Update.UU.SE> NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1035314775 12592 80.91.224.249 (22 Oct 2002 19:26:15 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2002 19:26:15 +0000 (UTC) Return-path: Original-Received: from monty-python.gnu.org ([199.232.76.173]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1844fO-0003Gn-00 for ; Tue, 22 Oct 2002 21:26:14 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 1844fU-0005Wu-00; Tue, 22 Oct 2002 15:26:20 -0400 Original-Path: shelby.stanford.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-han1.dfn.de!news-nue1.dfn.de!uni-erlangen.de!lmu.de!news.muc.de!not-for-mail Original-Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help Original-Lines: 46 Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: acm.muc.de Original-X-Trace: marvin.muc.de 1035314205 64644 193.149.49.134 (22 Oct 2002 19:16:45 GMT) Original-X-Complaints-To: news-admin@muc.de Original-NNTP-Posting-Date: 22 Oct 2002 19:16:45 GMT User-Agent: tin/1.4.5-20010409 ("One More Nightmare") (UNIX) (Linux/2.0.35 (i686)) Original-Xref: shelby.stanford.edu gnu.emacs.help:106288 Original-To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-admin@gnu.org X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:2838 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.help:2838 Fredrik Staxeng wrote on 22 Oct 2002 09:12:10 +0200: > Alan Mackenzie writes: >>Fredrik Staxeng wrote on 20 Oct 2002 19:10:10 +0200: >>> There seems to be a sizeable number of people still running in tty >>> mode. I guess about 1% of those run on actual terminals, the rest are >>> runnning various terminal emulators. >>I'm one of these people who use an actual terminal (a Linux tty), and I > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^^ > I assume you mean that you run on the Linux console. That is not what I > mean with an actual terminal, rather it is an example of a terminal > emulator. OK. Thanks for the elucidation. I thought you meant an xterm under X. > The relevant difference for the topic of this thread is that emulators > can be enhanced to send bucky bits for function keys. Given that some > people still run in tty mode, perhaps it would be a good idea to > implement this so that it works by default. Indeed so. > I have used actual terminals for several years, and as soon as had the > opportunity I switched to X. That was on a 20MHz 386 with 4MBytes of > memory with an unaccelerated VGA card in 640x480. I am definitely the > wrong person to try to convince about the virtues of text mode. Wouldn't dream of it! I'm kind of more trying to persuade developers whose attitude is "now we've 'upgraded' to X (or Windows NT or whatever) we can forget about this silly console support, because nobody'll want it anyway.". Thankfully, that attitude is absent amongst the GNU Emacs developers. :-) > -- > Fredrik Stax\"ang | rot13: sfgk@hcqngr.hh.fr Who'd've thought Sweeden and France were so closely related? :-) -- Alan Mackenzie (Munich, Germany) Email: aacm@muuc.dee; to decode, wherever there is a repeated letter (like "aa"), remove half of them (leaving, say, "a").