From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: uzibalqa via "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#58459: Getting a fresh emacs session with no customisation Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2022 12:09:02 +0000 Message-ID: References: <0geQIvut8pm1-9SAaI008CzSdp1E-IUa3kruCxKwrH66Gg92tJgKScNSDWJwuueXmV78tcULC_N_c9LG5MADKiD3_AjkXcNQTMQ6soTqIlc=@proton.me> <3gN0Jqr94UeUj3xJtDV3zGvZVbUyjtQFAloYxrdvwN_ZHa3tEUYyFv8h3VcYYSk_gxgMaaBW94kAkaAUCgbd9QKZMkkYJBty-7XOadbzHHQ=@proton.me> <87fsfsc9af.fsf@yahoo.com> Reply-To: uzibalqa Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="16858"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: Phil Sainty , 58459@debbugs.gnu.org, Stefan Kangas To: Po Lu Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Thu Oct 13 14:16:08 2022 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1oix8C-0004Aj-F4 for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Thu, 13 Oct 2022 14:16:08 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:53976 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1oix8B-0006np-91 for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Thu, 13 Oct 2022 08:16:07 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:38008) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1oix2I-0002pG-Rb for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 13 Oct 2022 08:10:03 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.43]:60771) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1oix2I-00082j-Gl for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 13 Oct 2022 08:10:02 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1oix2H-0002bs-UY for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 13 Oct 2022 08:10:01 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: uzibalqa Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2022 12:10:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 58459 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: notabug Original-Received: via spool by 58459-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B58459.16656629629976 (code B ref 58459); Thu, 13 Oct 2022 12:10:01 +0000 Original-Received: (at 58459) by debbugs.gnu.org; 13 Oct 2022 12:09:22 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:59849 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1oix1e-0002aq-9z for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 13 Oct 2022 08:09:22 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-4325.protonmail.ch ([185.70.43.25]:39173) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1oix1a-0002aa-5i for 58459@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 13 Oct 2022 08:09:21 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=proton.me; s=b6pimgqq4zhafbmzvqpijajvne.protonmail; t=1665662951; x=1665922151; bh=4qJM4tlUjfj/dQZD7OIzfpSdB06I4kG8lCJF7D1PBUI=; h=Date:To:From:Cc:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:References: Feedback-ID:From:To:Cc:Date:Subject:Reply-To:Feedback-ID: Message-ID; b=nTcwc0LbqJzuxJsHwUEFdryEq6YvllnHFaGV1etvVztNkYEkAWWr7ePlZpzzTudrg ocNrMxpiyMJ3CUbqUuW/d9Q9tGx5koEWRp/TEwcZ+8lAnEYSI3OZpWKhm91iJ417D0 LmCsxhT3rC+voSbNc+HxR4FG9e0Wu2gtpJ/Yjqu/4SsSqjg4wU9fhl/2G1magU6pBz laQWMcqCYBh4gUKQ1zQCb4kZIrQ5I+QjHEBMJoEcEjZw4pOwvQOHMUfdrvekjtP6vk 4xVDzNbFKwaawoDWpob1zn/2phw8J2fDFOqgzl+eUqsRAkEY9/MxldGD8EyU2aGBmf I44qLirfZ86Sg== In-Reply-To: <87fsfsc9af.fsf@yahoo.com> Feedback-ID: 52887082:user:proton X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:245297 Archived-At: ------- Original Message ------- On Thursday, October 13th, 2022 at 10:22 AM, Po Lu wro= te: > uzibalqa uzibalqa@proton.me writes: >=20 > > Fine, but when this happens on Trisquel, then it is a topic of concern.= Aren't > > maintainers supposed to work together? Most times everybody works indep= endently > > with almost no concern or collaboration. >=20 >=20 > Users actually want the desktop environment to set resources that make > applications match the system stylesheet. >=20 > If you don't, remove the resources. We cannot make decisions for the > Trisquel developers. >=20 > > I wonder the rational behind considering x-resources as authoritative. > > As you mentioned, these days x-resources are a rather esoteric feature. > > Your design should be the other way round. With a flag `enforce-x-resou= rces'. > > So one always gets vanilla emacs with no init file, or when the init fi= le > > does nothing, or something goes wrong. It is very easy to make an init = file > > fail when one is writing emacs functionalities and packages. >=20 >=20 > Emacs is an X program, and good X programs respect resources set in the > usual locations. It is a decades old convention. You can't even tell me which process is producing them and where. =20 > > It is also an emacs bug from my point of view. Especially when you conf= irm > > that x-resources are not used all that often anymore. > No. Emacs should take the user's setting in the init file rather than override = them with bullshit that you reckon has authority.