From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Jason Rumney Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: bootstrap from scratch Date: Fri, 06 May 2005 00:28:27 +0100 Message-ID: References: <200505051718.j45HIrFG002303@emr.cs.iit.edu> <87fyx11pm0.fsf@vera.springies.com> <87vf5xzdbb.fsf@vera.springies.com> <6loebpo2mg.fsf@xpc14.ast.cam.ac.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1115336512 8247 80.91.229.2 (5 May 2005 23:41:52 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 5 May 2005 23:41:52 +0000 (UTC) Cc: reingold@emr.cs.iit.edu, Alan Shutko , Stefan Monnier , emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri May 06 01:41:44 2005 Return-path: Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by ciao.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DTpyC-0005ng-DR for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 06 May 2005 01:41:28 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DTq0R-000583-Fa for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 05 May 2005 19:43:48 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DTps2-0003EF-DW for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 05 May 2005 19:35:06 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DTprk-000355-CH for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 05 May 2005 19:34:48 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DTprN-0002Ez-P4 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 05 May 2005 19:34:25 -0400 Original-Received: from [194.106.33.237] (helo=outmail.freedom2surf.net) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.34) id 1DTprR-0004r0-7U for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 05 May 2005 19:34:29 -0400 Original-Received: from wanchan.jasonrumney.net (i-195-137-77-250.freedom2surf.net [195.137.77.250]) by outmail.freedom2surf.net (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j45NSlch018815; Fri, 6 May 2005 00:28:47 +0100 Original-Received: from TONKOTSU-RAMEN (tonkotsu-ramen.jasonrumney.net [10.0.0.28]) by wanchan.jasonrumney.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F4A2DDE1D; Fri, 6 May 2005 00:28:47 +0100 (BST) Original-To: Glenn Morris In-Reply-To: <6loebpo2mg.fsf@xpc14.ast.cam.ac.uk> (Glenn Morris's message of "Thu, 05 May 2005 21:10:31 +0100") User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/22.0.50 (windows-nt) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:36738 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:36738 Glenn Morris writes: > Loading appt.el used to activate the appointment package (in a > convoluted way, I think; can't remember the details now). When I > changed it so it did not, I had an email from someone saying he had > missed a bunch of appointments. > > So I had to make loading the package activate it, for "historical > reasons". Mail from one user does not seem to be a good reason to reintroduce buggy behaviour. It has been the convention in Emacs for a long time now that loading a package does not have side-effects. Perhaps a better approach is to start a timer on load, and if appt is not "activated" within a few seconds, then warn the user that loading the package no longer activates it, and tell them the prefered way of activating appt (usually via an autoloaded function).