From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Mathias Dahl Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: C-p, C-b, C-f, and C-n... why? Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 10:24:20 +0100 Message-ID: References: <1133329096.909577.80790@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <11pmkm7sol448a9@corp.supernews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1134985445 11099 80.91.229.2 (19 Dec 2005 09:44:05 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 09:44:05 +0000 (UTC) Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Dec 19 10:44:05 2005 Return-path: Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by ciao.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EoHWX-00007k-GF for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 19 Dec 2005 10:41:43 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EoHXH-0003Yj-EC for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 19 Dec 2005 04:42:27 -0500 Original-Path: shelby.stanford.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!news.tele.dk!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!individual.net!not-for-mail Original-Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help Original-Lines: 28 Original-X-Trace: individual.net T4bGwJef+HZaVTKiTt8M1g0xTsuo7DcjNn2cA1txVDF7GPjTXg User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/22.0.50 (windows-nt) Cancel-Lock: sha1:xtS/N9PuaiErggmzqlBnsD60ir8= Original-Xref: shelby.stanford.edu gnu.emacs.help:136437 Original-To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:32056 Archived-At: bkhl@elektrubadur.se (Björn Lindström) writes: > Mathias Dahl writes: > >> OK, the distance from the home row is shorter, but I still don't think >> you can conclude that it is more efficient. For example, C-f require >> "two" (or one, or one and a half if you want) keypresses while the >> arrow keys require only single keypresses. > > That argument is a bit flawed. Too use the arrow keys you have to > abandon the basic touch typing position completely and then find it > again. This will take a lot longer than pressing any key combination you > can reach from the basic position. If you find yourself in some mode when you for some reason need to "move around" a lot, and maybe at some points execute another command, using the arrow keys with the right hand, and executing the other commands, whatever they might be (which is not interesting, my example with games was maybe bad), is in my opinion, quite nice. Anyway, what I reacted to was some text earlier in the discussion that sort of "forced an opinion" on me, and I though maybe it could be written in a more "diplomatic" way if we should keep it in the tutorial. "small" things like this can be quite heated. I liked the suggestion made by Drew, where the keys was just documented and when no special arguments was made for using either of them.