From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Removing MULTI_KBOARD Date: Sat, 02 Aug 2008 12:38:05 +0300 Message-ID: References: <200807310343.m6V3h1Zo006813@sallyv1.ics.uci.edu> <200807311921.m6VJLxu1016770@sallyv1.ics.uci.edu> <200808011209.m71C9Tj3018356@sallyv1.ics.uci.edu> <200808020655.m726tvsI017108@sallyv1.ics.uci.edu> <200808020927.m729Rnov027876@sallyv1.ics.uci.edu> Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1217669908 7980 80.91.229.12 (2 Aug 2008 09:38:28 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2008 09:38:28 +0000 (UTC) Cc: lekktu@gmail.com, rms@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Dan Nicolaescu Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Aug 02 11:39:17 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1KPDZx-0000fB-1N for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 02 Aug 2008 11:39:13 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:34403 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KPDZ2-0006Gu-4T for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 02 Aug 2008 05:38:16 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KPDYw-0006Gp-5X for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 02 Aug 2008 05:38:10 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KPDYv-0006GZ-8E for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 02 Aug 2008 05:38:09 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=59976 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KPDYu-0006GW-IU for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 02 Aug 2008 05:38:09 -0400 Original-Received: from mtaout7.012.net.il ([84.95.2.19]:41552) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1KPDYq-0006P5-CH; Sat, 02 Aug 2008 05:38:04 -0400 Original-Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([84.229.228.238]) by i-mtaout7.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0K4Y003QRW3PAZB0@i-mtaout7.012.net.il>; Sat, 02 Aug 2008 12:38:13 +0300 (IDT) In-reply-to: <200808020927.m729Rnov027876@sallyv1.ics.uci.edu> X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Solaris 10 (1203?) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:101949 Archived-At: > From: Dan Nicolaescu > Cc: rms@gnu.org, Juanma Barranquero , emacs-devel@gnu.org > Date: Sat, 02 Aug 2008 02:27:49 -0700 > > Eli Zaretskii writes: > > > > From: Dan Nicolaescu > > > Cc: "Juanma Barranquero" , eliz@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org > > > Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2008 23:55:57 -0700 > > > > > > The code was turned off by default, unused and unnecessary, and that has > > > been explained on the list almost a year ago. If someone has a problem > > > with that, it would be much more productive to explain why, but not just > > > hand waving, with some real experience/examples. Otherwise please let > > > bygones be bygones, it's a terrible waste of time. > > > > I did explain why I have a problem with this: it breaks the MSDOS > > port. > > You have handwaved that. Can you please actually explain why you think that? > I have explained it is not a problem. How it is not a problem, if the MSDOS port does not support MULTI_KBOARD? I must have missed the explanation, please repeat it. > 1. The MSDOS port is broken for other reasons, it has been like that for a > year. Nobody has complained. > 2. The MSDOS port was on a widely publicized list of platforms that we > indented to remove. Nobody requested it to be kept, so RMS approved its > removal. > 3. The MSDOS port might never be revived, you have never committed to do > so, the only statements you have made was "I might do it". All of these reasons might be invalid tomorrow, if I decide to revive it tomorrow. > > . Revert Dan's changes that removed MULTI_KBOARD. > > Please do not do such a thing, this would be a very bad case of priority > inversion: forcing to keep code just because it might (although it is > doubtful) make it easier to revive a port to a very old, proprietary > platform with NO ACTIVE USERS, otherwise broken and unmaintained for one > year, hence a low priority task for a GNU project. The code is an > inconvenience and requires more work when doing maintenance and > debugging maintenance on GNU/Linux, i.e a high priority task for GNU. > > If the MSDOS port ever gets fixed (which, again, is not sure to happen), > it can be fixed from a CVS checkout prior to the removal of the > MULTI_KBOARD code. If it turns out that the MULTI_KBOARD code is > needed, it can be restored at that time. I stand by my claim that such > a thing would not be necessary. > > > . Replace those #ifdef's that are needed by the MSDOS port (I don't > > know whether this means all of them or not) with #ifdef MSDOS. > > That is even worse, the unnecessary code is still in the way of all > the GNU/Linux maintainers. I'm open to other suggestions, but please don't suggest to drop the MSDOS port until I decide to do that.