From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Please add a "Guided Tour" menu command Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2008 00:14:54 +0200 Message-ID: References: <87ejpc3ilr.fsf@localhost.i-did-not-set--mail-host-address--so-tickle-me> <878wwen09k.fsf@jurta.org> <87wsfjtl0s.fsf@cyd.mit.edu> Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1225836920 30819 80.91.229.12 (4 Nov 2008 22:15:20 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 22:15:20 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Jason Spiro Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Nov 04 23:16:22 2008 connect(): Connection refused Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1KxUCD-0007NV-Vs for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 04 Nov 2008 23:16:22 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:43554 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KxUB4-0007SY-AB for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 04 Nov 2008 17:15:10 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KxUAz-0007Rz-UH for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 04 Nov 2008 17:15:05 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KxUAy-0007Rn-CN for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 04 Nov 2008 17:15:04 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=33050 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KxUAy-0007Rk-7c for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 04 Nov 2008 17:15:04 -0500 Original-Received: from mtaout2.012.net.il ([84.95.2.4]:48504) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1KxUAx-0001sI-QQ for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 04 Nov 2008 17:15:04 -0500 Original-Received: from conversion-daemon.i_mtaout2.012.net.il by i_mtaout2.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2004.12) id <0K9T00N00XLM1M00@i_mtaout2.012.net.il> for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 05 Nov 2008 00:16:45 +0200 (IST) Original-Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([77.126.241.172]) by i_mtaout2.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2004.12) with ESMTPA id <0K9T001GWXVMMIU0@i_mtaout2.012.net.il>; Wed, 05 Nov 2008 00:16:45 +0200 (IST) In-reply-to: X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: Solaris 9.1 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:105378 Archived-At: > From: Jason Spiro > Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 21:34:11 +0000 (UTC) > > Eli Zaretskii gnu.org> wrote: > > > > Then perhaps we should have a second tutorial, which describes what > > the tour does. > > If you mean we should have a second version of the tour without images, then I > respectfully disagree. The tour is good as-is. It would be much worse without > the screenshots that are in it. Emacs supports images, so we can have the screenshots as well. I see no problem here. > Also, if you mean we should make a second document called a "tutorial" with the > same content of the tour, then I also disagree. The reason the tour is called a > "tour" is because it is more of a whirlwind tour of Emacs' modes than a tutorial > on how to use each mode. It would be confusing to have two tutorials. The name is not important, not to me, anyway. What I meant is that we could have a "Getting Started" tutorial with the current TUTORIAL's contents, and then a "Guided Tour" tutorial with the contents of what we are currently discussing. > I think the tutorial should be removed from Emacs, and replaced with > the tour. That'd be a blow to those who don't read English well, at least.