From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Why @#! is not Emacs using the Recycle bin on w32? Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 12:24:02 +0300 Message-ID: References: <48B7288E.3040503@gmail.com> <48B73AA9.5090900@gnu.org> <48B73D8F.90501@gmail.com> <48B7AC10.6090800@gmail.com> <48B7B08B.6050103@gmail.com> Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1220001882 12038 80.91.229.12 (29 Aug 2008 09:24:42 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 09:24:42 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org, jasonr@gnu.org To: "Lennart Borgman (gmail)" Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Aug 29 11:25:36 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1KZ0EW-0001QJ-MW for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 29 Aug 2008 11:25:32 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:45117 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KZ0DY-00059b-2z for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 29 Aug 2008 05:24:32 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KZ0DR-00055F-9L for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 29 Aug 2008 05:24:25 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KZ0DO-000528-Q8 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 29 Aug 2008 05:24:23 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=58822 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KZ0DN-00051P-Ab for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 29 Aug 2008 05:24:21 -0400 Original-Received: from mtaout3.012.net.il ([84.95.2.7]:54672) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1KZ0DD-0007y9-Gz; Fri, 29 Aug 2008 05:24:12 -0400 Original-Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([84.229.211.50]) by i_mtaout3.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2004.12) with ESMTPA id <0K6C005C9VH0NVD0@i_mtaout3.012.net.il>; Fri, 29 Aug 2008 12:24:37 +0300 (IDT) In-reply-to: <48B7B08B.6050103@gmail.com> X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Solaris 9.1 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:103156 > Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 10:17:15 +0200 > From: "Lennart Borgman (gmail)" > CC: jasonr@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org > > This is a new feature, introduced just recently; prudence would have > > it that we let the feature be used for some time before even thinking > > to make it the default. Especially since at least some of us here do > > not share your enthusiasm for it. > > In this case the new feature does not get in your way - unless of course > you are not used at all to using the Recycle Bin. I'm used to be aware of the Recycle Bin and use it when I intend to. > > Jason explained one harm. > > The risk seems small to me on pc:s. That's why we have customization in Emacs: because some people's needs are different from others'. > > Another one is that I like my disks have > > lots of free space, and don't expect deleted files to stay on them. > > Yes, but do you really delete that many files from Emacs? I do everything from Emacs, even launch (God forbid!) Word. > One of my personal favorites is that the programs should follow the UI > guidelines for what the user normally see. This is again a circular definition: we have no clear spec of ``what the user normally see''. > If you from any program on w32 that did not write its own file handling > dialogs open the file dialog and delete a file there it will go to the > Recycle Bin. File deletion is not done only from dialogs. > And sadly that is the part that probably most reminds of the GUI you can > see on GNU/Linux. But please correct me if I am wrong. As someone already said, most modern GNU/Linux desktops have a similar feature.