From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Uday S Reddy Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: arrow keys vs. C-f/b/n/p (was: Performance) Date: Mon, 07 Jun 2010 16:34:03 +0100 Message-ID: References: <87d3w2ncqs.fsf_-_@lola.goethe.zz> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1275926816 29311 80.91.229.12 (7 Jun 2010 16:06:56 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2010 16:06:56 +0000 (UTC) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Jun 07 18:06:55 2010 connect(): No such file or directory Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OLeqh-0000MP-TM for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 07 Jun 2010 18:06:52 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:54150 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1OLeqg-0007G5-TC for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 07 Jun 2010 12:06:51 -0400 Original-Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=46479 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1OLeLB-0007DN-0c for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 07 Jun 2010 11:34:17 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OLeL9-0006Ej-Vm for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 07 Jun 2010 11:34:16 -0400 Original-Received: from lo.gmane.org ([80.91.229.12]:53014) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OLeL9-0006EV-QH for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 07 Jun 2010 11:34:15 -0400 Original-Received: from list by lo.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OLeL8-0008Ry-9R for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 07 Jun 2010 17:34:14 +0200 Original-Received: from acws-0068.cs.bham.ac.uk ([147.188.194.56]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Mon, 07 Jun 2010 17:34:14 +0200 Original-Received: from U.S.Reddy by acws-0068.cs.bham.ac.uk with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Mon, 07 Jun 2010 17:34:14 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ connect(): No such file or directory Original-Lines: 26 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: acws-0068.cs.bham.ac.uk User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/22.2 (windows-nt) Cancel-Lock: sha1:R8yzN3z/MCpp5JrRUVQzfijuWc0= X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:125589 Archived-At: Eli Zaretskii writes: >> likely the same with "C-a" "C-e" for logical movement as contrasted to >> and for visual movement. > > To this, I object. I made the left/right arrows and their > Ctrl-modified siblings move to the left resp. right, regardless of the > logical buffer order, because this is what users of bidirectional > scripts expect -- they are used to it in every other bidi-aware > application out there. By contrast, and always move to > the beginning resp. end of the current line, they have no relation to > either left or right directions. If there is going to be an entire suite of commands for doing visual motion, then it makes sense to have a uniform setting of key bindings for them. Key bindings can always be changed by the users (famous last words!). The issue with C-n has been that the meaning of the command was changed, not just a key binding. It would have been less of an issue if it was just a key binding. Cheers, Uday