From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: David Abrahams Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: mouse-1-click-follows-link Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 22:25:24 -0400 Message-ID: References: <8564wi2ag7.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1118716012 20446 80.91.229.2 (14 Jun 2005 02:26:52 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2005 02:26:52 +0000 (UTC) Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Jun 14 04:26:47 2005 Return-path: Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by ciao.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Di18E-0000iT-IV for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 14 Jun 2005 04:26:26 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Di1B5-000178-9c for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 13 Jun 2005 22:29:23 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Di1Ac-0000z1-6b for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 13 Jun 2005 22:28:54 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Di1AV-0000wQ-IC for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 13 Jun 2005 22:28:47 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Di1AV-0000w2-B6 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 13 Jun 2005 22:28:47 -0400 Original-Received: from [80.91.229.2] (helo=ciao.gmane.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA:16) (Exim 4.34) id 1Di19G-0007QO-OR for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 13 Jun 2005 22:27:31 -0400 Original-Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1Di13C-0000HO-JH for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 14 Jun 2005 04:21:14 +0200 Original-Received: from 146-115-127-135.c3-0.smr-ubr2.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com ([146.115.127.135]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Tue, 14 Jun 2005 04:21:14 +0200 Original-Received: from dave by 146-115-127-135.c3-0.smr-ubr2.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Tue, 14 Jun 2005 04:21:14 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Original-To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-Lines: 41 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: 146-115-127-135.c3-0.smr-ubr2.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com User-Agent: Gnus/5.110004 (No Gnus v0.4) Emacs/22.0.50 (windows-nt) Cancel-Lock: sha1:jIpuJZ9HC8b+OB112JtA0wDJBRw= X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:38778 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:38778 Stefan Monnier writes: >> There seems to be an increasing trend to make Emacs look and act like >> a web browser in all contexts, making it frustrating to use for text >> editing purposes. Setting the point is basic functionality, and I >> shouldn't have to cross my fingers, double tap, hold, turn around and >> touch my nose to do it. > > I'm more and more inclined to agree. > > I think the mouse-1-clock-follows-link behavior should be used (by default) > at most at a few well-tested placed. E.g. custom (where it's already > working this way in 21.4 AFAIK), help, info. But not grep, not compile, ... > > The idea of having mouse-1-clock-follows-link activated by default is to > make it easier for beginners accustomed to web browsers more than to text > editors, and maybe that makes sense, but we shouldn't overstate this case > either: the number of users we can expect to win thanks to this minor detail > is likely to be vanishingly small. It's not like the mouse-2-follows-link > convention is the only "unusual" UI aspect of Emacs. > > So maybe turning it on for a handful of cases makes sense. And keeping > a more intrusive option may also make sense for people whose system makes it > hard to generate a mouse-2 event. But the current setup has tricked me too > many times already. I know I can turn it off, but we should be careful not > to alienate our fervent disciples. I have to say that I was surprised when I upgraded my Emacs and Gnus started working that way... and I *still* haven't been able to figure out why down-mouse-1 seems to act like down-mouse-2 but only sometimes. I was almost pleased -- because I find down-mouse-2 ergonomically hard to access -- but it was too confusing. I actually think supporting a mouse-1 double-click to follow those links would have made a lot of sense, though. -- Dave Abrahams Boost Consulting www.boost-consulting.com