From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: windows-XXXX and cpXXXX Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 06:33:15 +0200 Message-ID: References: Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1137040473 9296 80.91.229.2 (12 Jan 2006 04:34:33 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 04:34:33 +0000 (UTC) Cc: angeli@iwi.uni-sb.de, emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Jan 12 05:34:29 2006 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by ciao.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EwuAJ-0005ri-Tc for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 05:34:24 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EwuCN-0000pp-TL for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 23:36:31 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1EwuBK-0000Sn-Rd for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 23:35:27 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1EwuBI-0000Rj-Ut for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 23:35:25 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EwuBI-0000RY-DI for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 23:35:24 -0500 Original-Received: from [192.114.186.20] (helo=nitzan.inter.net.il) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1EwuE2-0006jt-FS for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 23:38:14 -0500 Original-Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 (IGLD-83-130-200-63.inter.net.il [83.130.200.63]) by nitzan.inter.net.il (MOS 3.7.3-GA) with ESMTP id CLE35831 (AUTH halo1); Thu, 12 Jan 2006 06:33:12 +0200 (IST) Original-To: Kenichi Handa In-reply-to: (message from Kenichi Handa on Thu, 12 Jan 2006 10:25:13 +0900) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:48949 Archived-At: > From: Kenichi Handa > CC: angeli@iwi.uni-sb.de, emacs-devel@gnu.org > Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 10:25:13 +0900 > > > Confusion between codepage.el and code-pages.el. They are different > > and subtly incompatible, but define symbols that are almost identical. > > As code-pages.el cannot be used in the MS-DOS port, we cannot throw > > away codepage.el. Thus, I think DOS codepages (whose names are cpNNN) > > should be provided only by codepage.el. > > I don't know the distinction of cpNNN and cpNNNN. That's not what I meant: I didn't mean to say that cpNNN with 3-digit numbers and cpNNNN with 4 digits are different in any way. > If cpNNN are only for DOS and are never used in the other > environment, I agree that having cpNNN in code-pages.el is > useless. I don't think we can make such a distinction. What I'd like to suggest is that code-pages.el and codepage.el use different names for them, just for the sake of the user. For example, code-pages.el could use ibmNNN or something. > But, as for cpNNNN, > says > that Windows uses codepages 125[012345678]. And if it's a > convention to refer to them by names cp125X, shouldn't we > provide those names for non-DOS users? I don't know about such a convention, outside Emacs. windows-NNNN is a notation used bu IANA, but cpNNNN is not. > > My concern would be how a user is to know which library of the two she > > is using, or should use in a given situation. > > DOS users use codepage.el. The other users use > code-pages.el. Isn't it clear? It turns out people don't know this, and it certainly is unclear for them. I mean users, not Emacs developers.