From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: [drew.adams@oracle.com: RE: cannot find :enable in Elisp manualindex] Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 06:20:51 +0300 Message-ID: References: Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1180495266 14734 80.91.229.12 (30 May 2007 03:21:06 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 03:21:06 +0000 (UTC) Cc: rms@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: "Drew Adams" Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed May 30 05:21:05 2007 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1HtEkD-0002Bs-8J for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 30 May 2007 05:21:05 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HtEkC-0003A6-NN for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 29 May 2007 23:21:04 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1HtEk9-0003A1-8t for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 29 May 2007 23:21:01 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1HtEk7-00039o-AF for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 29 May 2007 23:21:00 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HtEk7-00039l-3A for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 29 May 2007 23:20:59 -0400 Original-Received: from nitzan.inter.net.il ([213.8.233.22]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1HtEk5-0007Hm-Tq; Tue, 29 May 2007 23:20:58 -0400 Original-Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 (IGLD-83-130-217-74.inter.net.il [83.130.217.74]) by nitzan.inter.net.il (MOS 3.7.3a-GA) with ESMTP id GVQ90528 (AUTH halo1); Wed, 30 May 2007 06:20:55 +0300 (IDT) In-reply-to: X-detected-kernel: FreeBSD 4.7-5.2 (or MacOS X 10.2-10.4) (2) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:71976 Archived-At: > From: "Drew Adams" > Cc: , > Date: Tue, 29 May 2007 14:03:10 -0700 > > Nonsense. If you want to continue this discussion with me, please stop the attitude. I have better things to do with my scarce free time than talk to someone who thinks that about my opinions. > 1) Info is not just for Emacs and Emacs Lisp. But I was talking _only_ about the ELisp manual, and I said that explicitly. There's no argument that this is a grave limitation for some other manuals (and I said that explicitly as well). > 2) Looking up ":type" as opposed to "type" is in no way analogous to looking > up "'keymap" as opposed to "keymap". I can't believe that you would suggest > such a thing. Well, then maybe we have quite different perceptions of the Emacs Lisp syntax and semantics. The colon plays a role that is very similar to the quote: it is used to mean the literal symbol name as opposed to the value of the symbol. > 2: I disagree with you 100% in the case of keywords. Try it. Pick one and > count how many keystrokes or whatever it takes to get you to a node that > actually discusses that keyword using both `i' and `s'. The latter wins > hands down. > > With `i :link', you have to visit 17 index entries out of 20 before you get > to a node containing :link. That's not what I'd suggest to do in this situation. I'd suggest to type "i link TAB". Then I see this: Possible completions are: link, customization keyword linking files and it's quite clear that the first one is the one I want. > Neither `i :enable' nor `i :keymap' in the Elisp manual will _ever_ get you > to a page with that keyword - they're not indexed at all. Of course, to find > that out for :keymap, say, you will need to visit all 45 entries and check > for ":keymap" in each one! `enable' isn't indexed at all, but "i keymap TAB TAB TAB" immediately shows 3 different usages of :keymap at the beginning of the list of completions. No need to visit 45 entries. > It's hard to imagine why you would "think index search is so much more > powerful that `s', _even with the colon problem_." Well, maybe now you understand that better.