From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Why Emacs needs a modern bug tracker Date: Sat, 05 Jan 2008 22:00:46 +0200 Message-ID: References: <20080104164454.0A4BD830697@snark.thyrsus.com> <20080104232514.GB2735@muc.de> <87r6gxoyjv.fsf@catnip.gol.com> Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1199563258 23306 80.91.229.12 (5 Jan 2008 20:00:58 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2008 20:00:58 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: =?iso-8859-1?Q?=D3scar_Fuentes?= Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Jan 05 21:01:18 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1JBFCl-0006H8-Rw for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 05 Jan 2008 21:01:16 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JBFCP-0004Ow-Dn for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 05 Jan 2008 15:00:53 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1JBFCF-0004FX-34 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 05 Jan 2008 15:00:43 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1JBFCD-0004DR-Cl for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 05 Jan 2008 15:00:42 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JBFCD-0004DF-76 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 05 Jan 2008 15:00:41 -0500 Original-Received: from romy.inter.net.il ([213.8.233.24]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1JBFCC-0004cN-OR for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 05 Jan 2008 15:00:40 -0500 Original-Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 (IGLD-80-230-71-78.inter.net.il [80.230.71.78]) by romy.inter.net.il (MOS 3.7.3-GA) with ESMTP id JUZ53304 (AUTH halo1); Sat, 5 Jan 2008 22:00:22 +0200 (IST) In-reply-to: (message from =?iso-8859-1?Q?=D3scar_Fuentes?= on Sat, 05 Jan 2008 20:05:42 +0100) X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: FreeBSD 4.7-5.2 (or MacOS X 10.2-10.4) (2) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:86224 Archived-At: > From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?=D3scar_Fuentes?= > Date: Sat, 05 Jan 2008 20:05:42 +0100 > > > Not just evidence: you should volunteer to do actual work. > [snip] > > ESR volunteered for implementing the DVCS and the bug-tracker. I > volunteered for spam-filtering and monitoring the bug-tracker. I can do > other misc things, such as pre-testing the system and later assist other > users on its use. Yes, I know. But -- and please forgive me for being so blunt -- I have enough grey hair to remember a few instances in the past where people with good intentions said things like that. Sadly, intentions are all we are left with to this day. I want to see some action, in addition to good intentions and more talking. > > A bug tracker is a good case in point: Richard stated quite some time > > ago the basic requirements for his acceptance of such a tool, but no > > one stepped forward to do anything practical about that. > > I'll be grateful if you direct me to the message where this requirements > were stated. I failed to find it on the archives. What did you look for? "bug tracker" worked for me. Try the thread which started with this message: http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-devel/2006-10/msg00484.html > A bug tracker that is not updated by its users is worse than not having > a bug tracker. :-) X done badly is worse than not having X... this is a general justification for rejecting change, not for rejecting bad ideas. These are not my words, they're yours, posted just a few hours ago. > The advantages of a living database over a static text file are too > large to enumerate. But the advantage of the flat text file is that it exists.