From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: jasonr (Jason Rumney) @ f2s.com Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Making Emacs more newbie friendly Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2005 17:17:20 +0000 Organization: freedom2surf Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1111252704 21634 80.91.229.2 (19 Mar 2005 17:18:24 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2005 17:18:24 +0000 (UTC) Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Mar 19 18:18:24 2005 Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by ciao.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DChaf-0002Z1-7O for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sat, 19 Mar 2005 18:18:21 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DChrO-0003If-Ea for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sat, 19 Mar 2005 12:35:38 -0500 Original-Path: shelby.stanford.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!news.tele.dk!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!newsfeed1.e.nsc.no!peernews.cix.co.uk!peer.news.zetnet.net!newsfeed.uk.prserv.net!prserv.net!news.freedom2surf.net!not-for-mail Original-Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help Original-Lines: 19 Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: i-195-137-77-250.freedom2surf.net Original-X-Trace: news.freedom2surf.net 1111252649 27572 195.137.77.250 (19 Mar 2005 17:17:29 GMT) Original-X-Complaints-To: abuse@freedom2surf.net Original-NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2005 17:17:29 +0000 (UTC) X-Face: .PruP48JRO{Z6Rfz?YkZ>)zR+7!Up"`!1Cvq{fGd)@K; y]C:8r\CrJ^Mj\_U"9*WD2 I#zdK_#tw]y9*Y$?ge&b23Zt7zpknL{)F7Px4DVSY6b9dg[^VtkN-R_$YJ0cL''j[, }O#k{k| User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/22.0.50 (windows-nt) Cancel-Lock: sha1:85s0wpYBmrMW3BhSqzNX8Z360Qg= Original-Xref: shelby.stanford.edu gnu.emacs.help:129412 Original-To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org X-MailScanner-To: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:24967 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.help:24967 PT writes: > This would include for example keybindings which are familiar for new > users: > > F1 for help, F2 for save file, F3 for load file, etc. Where do these come from? What users would be familiar with them? In every application I've come across recently, F3 is "next match" for search operations. The problem with any suggestion like this, is that the idea of a single "standard" set of keybindings is mythical. Beyond a few very basic bindings, there is no genuine standard. People come to Emacs from any number of inferior text editors, and the way to make them happy is an emulation mode for the editor they are coming from. We already have emulation modes for several other text editors, can you suggest (or better, contribute) other popular ones that are missing?