From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Why @#! is not Emacs using the Recycle bin on w32? Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 13:16:25 +0300 Message-ID: References: <48B7288E.3040503@gmail.com> <48B73AA9.5090900@gnu.org> <48B73D8F.90501@gmail.com> <48B7AC10.6090800@gmail.com> <48B7B08B.6050103@gmail.com> Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1220007054 26009 80.91.229.12 (29 Aug 2008 10:50:54 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 10:50:54 +0000 (UTC) Cc: jasonr@gnu.org, lennart.borgman@gmail.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: David House Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Aug 29 12:51:47 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1KZ1Zz-0002ND-32 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 29 Aug 2008 12:51:47 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:48446 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KZ1Z0-00039T-6f for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 29 Aug 2008 06:50:46 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KZ12u-0000jg-E2 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 29 Aug 2008 06:17:37 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KZ12p-0000ij-3q for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 29 Aug 2008 06:17:32 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=37683 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KZ12l-0000iP-6r for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 29 Aug 2008 06:17:28 -0400 Original-Received: from mtaout1.012.net.il ([84.95.2.1]:31498) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1KZ12g-0007JW-GT; Fri, 29 Aug 2008 06:17:22 -0400 Original-Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([84.229.211.50]) by i-mtaout1.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0K6C0047IXWAFD70@i-mtaout1.012.net.il>; Fri, 29 Aug 2008 13:16:59 +0300 (IDT) In-reply-to: X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Solaris 9.1 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:103159 > Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 10:43:22 +0100 > From: "David House" > Cc: "Lennart Borgman (gmail)" , emacs-devel@gnu.org, > jasonr@gnu.org > > 2008/8/29 Eli Zaretskii : > > That's why we have customization in Emacs: because some people's needs > > are different from others'. > > That doesn't negate the need for good defaults, thought. I didn't say otherwise. All I said was that a feature introduced just a couple of months ago and which is not unanimously thought to be a good one, should be left as optional until we have enough user experience to make it the default. > So far, the only valid argument I've heard in favour of bypassing the > Recycle Bin is to conserve disk space. The argument for not bypassing > the Recycle Bin is that occasionally users may be surprised that their > files have been fully deleted, and may lose important information. It > seems to me that the second argument outweighs the first. We are talking about Emacs here. Emacs behavior was always that it deletes a file, not moves it somewhere. So any change in that behavior _by_default_ will surprise Emacs users.