From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Reducing mouse-dependency In Emacs. Date: 10 Aug 2003 08:08:02 +0200 Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Message-ID: References: <200308100342.h7A3gXV19877@raven.dms.auburn.edu> Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: deer.gmane.org X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1060492039 30958 80.91.224.253 (10 Aug 2003 05:07:19 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2003 05:07:19 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Sun Aug 10 07:07:18 2003 Return-path: Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.224.244]) by deer.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 19liQI-0001uS-00 for ; Sun, 10 Aug 2003 07:07:18 +0200 Original-Received: from monty-python.gnu.org ([199.232.76.173]) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 19liWw-0003qi-00 for ; Sun, 10 Aug 2003 07:14:11 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19liPu-00048d-BY for emacs-devel@quimby.gnus.org; Sun, 10 Aug 2003 01:06:54 -0400 Original-Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.20) id 19liPp-00047W-R2 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 10 Aug 2003 01:06:49 -0400 Original-Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.20) id 19liPJ-00044U-K7 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 10 Aug 2003 01:06:48 -0400 Original-Received: from [207.232.27.5] (helo=WST0054) by monty-python.gnu.org with asmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19liPI-00041L-Ln; Sun, 10 Aug 2003 01:06:17 -0400 Original-To: Luc Teirlinck In-reply-to: <200308100342.h7A3gXV19877@raven.dms.auburn.edu> (message from Luc Teirlinck on Sat, 9 Aug 2003 22:42:33 -0500 (CDT)) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 Precedence: list List-Id: Emacs development discussions. List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:15862 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:15862 > Date: Sat, 9 Aug 2003 22:42:33 -0500 (CDT) > From: Luc Teirlinck > > Text properties like `mouse-face' and `help-echo' are, as presently > conceived, not only completely useless to the blind, but to any > non mouse oriented user. True. > I propose to complement `mouse-face' and `help-echo' with two new text > properties, `short-help' and `long-help', which would be strings or > evaluate to strings. Rather than introducing new properties, I'd think it's better to have an option to display the text defined thru mouse-face and help-echo when point is anywhere inside the text covered by those properties. Or am I missing some of your intent?