From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: require GNU make to build emacs? Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 22:29:15 +0200 Message-ID: References: <200802242344.m1ONihq5014668@sallyv1.ics.uci.edu> <200802250522.m1P5Mf94012696@sallyv1.ics.uci.edu> Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1203971373 14290 80.91.229.12 (25 Feb 2008 20:29:33 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 20:29:33 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Dan Nicolaescu Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Feb 25 21:29:58 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1JTjxV-0001en-NB for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 21:29:57 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JTjwz-0006jt-IB for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 15:29:25 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1JTjwu-0006hv-2F for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 15:29:20 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1JTjwp-0006dV-9D for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 15:29:19 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JTjwp-0006dS-76 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 15:29:15 -0500 Original-Received: from romy.inter.net.il ([213.8.233.24]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1JTjwo-00029q-Sm for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 15:29:15 -0500 Original-Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 (IGLD-84-229-119-247.inter.net.il [84.229.119.247]) by romy.inter.net.il (MOS 3.7.3-GA) with ESMTP id KIS08155 (AUTH halo1); Mon, 25 Feb 2008 22:28:54 +0200 (IST) In-reply-to: <200802250522.m1P5Mf94012696@sallyv1.ics.uci.edu> (message from Dan Nicolaescu on Sun, 24 Feb 2008 21:22:41 -0800) X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: FreeBSD 4.7-5.2 (or MacOS X 10.2-10.4) (2) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:90431 Archived-At: > From: Dan Nicolaescu > Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org > Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2008 21:22:41 -0800 > > Yes, IMO there's a good reason. Being able to use conditionals, > includes, and other advanced features should allow us to avoid using the > C preprocessor to create Makefiles The way to avoid using cpp is to autoconfiscate our configury, so that the configure script produces src/Makefile from src/Makefile.in. (Not that I think this is such an urgent task, given that the current setup works so well and that the rate of new OSes and/or changes in the existing OSes is so low lately.) > and to make the bootstrap a bit more reliable (we have way too many > parallel make failures and other flakiness). Failures with parallel builds are probably due to little use, not non-GNU Make. Most, if not all, of those I remember were fixed easily by adding missing dependencies. But if you have specific examples for these problems, by all means post them. > > > Having a modern make should help simplify the makefiles and maybe the > > > whole build process. > > > > Is that the only reason, or are there real problems with non-GNU Make > > in our build process? > > The fact that we only use the most basic make features is a problem. Again, specific problems, beyond those solved by autoconf, would be appreciated.