From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: How old are Emacs users? Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 15:17:43 +0300 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1177417092 5975 80.91.229.12 (24 Apr 2007 12:18:12 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 12:18:12 +0000 (UTC) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Apr 24 14:18:09 2007 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1HgJy6-0007tJ-RE for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 24 Apr 2007 14:18:03 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HgK3c-00051q-4h for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 24 Apr 2007 08:23:44 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1HgK3N-00050M-7G for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 24 Apr 2007 08:23:29 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1HgK3L-0004zm-PS for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 24 Apr 2007 08:23:27 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HgK3L-0004zj-Kx for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 24 Apr 2007 08:23:27 -0400 Original-Received: from romy.inter.net.il ([213.8.233.24]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1HgJxp-0005GH-HC for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 24 Apr 2007 08:17:45 -0400 Original-Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 (IGLD-84-228-241-38.inter.net.il [84.228.241.38]) by romy.inter.net.il (MOS 3.7.3-GA) with ESMTP id HRK34104 (AUTH halo1); Tue, 24 Apr 2007 15:17:44 +0300 (IDT) In-reply-to: (message from 30ish emacs user on Tue, 24 Apr 2007 06:41:52 +0000 (UTC)) X-detected-kernel: FreeBSD 4.7-5.2 (or MacOS X 10.2-10.4) (2) X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:43073 Archived-At: > From: 30ish emacs user > Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 06:41:52 +0000 (UTC) > > I meant the API is mostly character based. No, it isn't. > I can insert images of > course, but I cannot draw random pixel lines across the buffer right? We are talking about an editor, not an image editor. What other programmer's editor gives you random pixels? > There is no complete pixel-level control of buffer presentation. What exactly do you mean by that? > I cannot toggle single pixels on the screen, if I'm not mistaken. What other programmer's editor gives you that, and to what end? > I haven't seen code collapsing displayed like this in emacs: > > http://www.dream-com.com/images/editor/codecollapse.bmp Try hideshow in Emacs. > That's what I mean by a "graphical" editor. Perhaps you need to switch to Gimp, then. Most of us here use Emacs primarily as program development environment, where the pixel game is something one needs only very rarely.