From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: jasonr (Jason Rumney) @ f2s.com Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Making Emacs more newbie friendly Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2005 12:47:53 +0000 Organization: freedom2surf Message-ID: References: <874qf8d3cy.fsf@thalassa.informatimago.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1111324237 31384 80.91.229.2 (20 Mar 2005 13:10:37 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2005 13:10:37 +0000 (UTC) Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Mar 20 14:10:36 2005 Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by ciao.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DD0BB-0003vv-Pe for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sun, 20 Mar 2005 14:09:18 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DD0Pu-0003aJ-CK for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sun, 20 Mar 2005 08:24:30 -0500 Original-Path: shelby.stanford.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!news.tele.dk!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!colt.net!news-lond.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!easynet-monga!easynet.net!peer.news.zetnet.net!newsfeed.uk.prserv.net!prserv.net!news.freedom2surf.net!not-for-mail Original-Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help Original-Lines: 18 Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: i-195-137-77-250.freedom2surf.net Original-X-Trace: news.freedom2surf.net 1111322883 14565 195.137.77.250 (20 Mar 2005 12:48:03 GMT) Original-X-Complaints-To: abuse@freedom2surf.net Original-NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2005 12:48:03 +0000 (UTC) X-Face: .PruP48JRO{Z6Rfz?YkZ>)zR+7!Up"`!1Cvq{fGd)@K; y]C:8r\CrJ^Mj\_U"9*WD2 I#zdK_#tw]y9*Y$?ge&b23Zt7zpknL{)F7Px4DVSY6b9dg[^VtkN-R_$YJ0cL''j[, }O#k{k| User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/22.0.50 (windows-nt) Cancel-Lock: sha1:9AzCY+Hu0DC4SLnBWyK9qfKAa8k= Original-Xref: shelby.stanford.edu gnu.emacs.help:129474 Original-To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org X-MailScanner-To: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:25029 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.help:25029 Brian Elmegaard writes: > Many (most?) compilers come with an editor which people probably try > first. Latex people probably have started out on a word processor > in itself being an editor. > > None of the applications I have seen of this kind have the same > notion of windows, frames and buffers as emacs has. Why would people try such an editor, then decide to try Emacs instead? Usually it is because they are dissatisfied with the editor that comes with their IDE. One big advantage for me of Emacs over IDE editors is the way it lays out its windows. It is very useful when programming to have two windows side by side, or above and below each other. The only way to do this in an IDE editor is to manually resize all your windows to fit (then you still have too much space wasted for extra title and status bars) or to set it to tiled (and have all windows that you have open tiled).