From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Ulrich Mueller Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Is admin/unidata/copyright.html a free software license? Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2023 14:48:51 +0200 Message-ID: References: <83pm3gvdho.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="40651"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Mon Aug 21 14:49:58 2023 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1qY4M2-000ALB-A0 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 21 Aug 2023 14:49:58 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qY4L9-0004Sy-Ev; Mon, 21 Aug 2023 08:49:03 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qY4L7-0004Sm-S3 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 21 Aug 2023 08:49:01 -0400 Original-Received: from smtp.gentoo.org ([2001:470:ea4a:1:5054:ff:fec7:86e4]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_CHACHA20_POLY1305:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qY4L5-0006VA-HV; Mon, 21 Aug 2023 08:49:01 -0400 In-Reply-To: <83pm3gvdho.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Mon, 21 Aug 2023 14:30:59 +0300") Received-SPF: pass client-ip=2001:470:ea4a:1:5054:ff:fec7:86e4; envelope-from=ulm@gentoo.org; helo=smtp.gentoo.org X-Spam_score_int: -41 X-Spam_score: -4.2 X-Spam_bar: ---- X-Spam_report: (-4.2 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:309074 Archived-At: >>>>> On Mon, 21 Aug 2023, Eli Zaretskii wrote: > This was indeed discussed, and the conclusion was that it's okay for > us to distribute these files, and to distribute data based on those > files as part of Emacs. Could you point me to the previous discussion please? I don't disagree that these files can be distributed (at least currently). However, merely being distributable is a much lower standard than being free. > Other Free Software packages do the same. Example: HarfBuzz. > As to their reserved rights to change the conditions: when they do (if > they ever do), we will reassess this issue. That's not what the free software definition says. >> I am also surprised that these lists in admin/unidata/ or, in general, >> a character set can be copyrightable. (For example, everyone uses ASCII >> without thinking about copyright of the underlying ANSI X3.4 standard. >> The same applies to several much larger CJK character sets.) > So therefore why are you raising this non-issue, from your POV? But is it a non-issue? Why would Unicode claim copyright for these files if they aren't copyrightable?