From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Steinar Bang Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: IDE Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2015 20:12:22 +0200 Organization: Probably a good idea Message-ID: References: <5612E996.7090700@yandex.ru> <83bnc7tavr.fsf@gnu.org> <5618C92A.3040207@yandex.ru> <83a8rrt9ag.fsf@gnu.org> <5618D376.1080700@yandex.ru> <831td3t62e.fsf@gnu.org> <5618E51D.4070800@yandex.ru> <83twpzrp05.fsf@gnu.org> <5618ED93.8000001@yandex.ru> <83lhbbrnn7.fsf@gnu.org> <56191EBE.5050404@yandex.ru> <83612essaw.fsf@gnu.org> <877fmuix68.fsf@isaac.fritz.box> <8337xispn2.fsf@gnu.org> <56195055.6010409@gmx.at> <83r3l2r1nf.fsf@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1444673528 4523 80.91.229.3 (12 Oct 2015 18:12:08 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2015 18:12:08 +0000 (UTC) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Oct 12 20:11:59 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1ZlhZn-0004jq-4D for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 12 Oct 2015 20:11:59 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:57863 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZlhZm-0002Hq-ES for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 12 Oct 2015 14:11:58 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:42058) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZlhZV-0002HO-1J for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 12 Oct 2015 14:11:41 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZlhZR-0007a8-0T for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 12 Oct 2015 14:11:40 -0400 Original-Received: from plane.gmane.org ([80.91.229.3]:45204) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZlhZQ-0007Zz-Pr for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 12 Oct 2015 14:11:36 -0400 Original-Received: from list by plane.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1ZlhZK-0004Gv-K3 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 12 Oct 2015 20:11:30 +0200 Original-Received: from cm-84.208.248.210.getinternet.no ([84.208.248.210]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Mon, 12 Oct 2015 20:11:30 +0200 Original-Received: from sb by cm-84.208.248.210.getinternet.no with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Mon, 12 Oct 2015 20:11:30 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Mail-Followup-To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-Lines: 13 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: cm-84.208.248.210.getinternet.no Mail-Copies-To: never User-Agent: Gnus/5.130012 (Ma Gnus v0.12) Emacs/24.4 (windows-nt) Cancel-Lock: sha1:oO89rQSBN88HOZeaYOCtz0HOODY= X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 80.91.229.3 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:191376 Archived-At: >>>>> Eli Zaretskii : > To me, an IDE is not a set of functionalities. It's a coherent > application that provides an IDE-like look-and-feel, and all the > related functions already integrated and ready for me to be used. > That includes window-layout, btw, because configuring Emacs windows > for IDE-like behavior is an exceedingly complex task, one that's > impossible without good command of ELisp. Ah, there we differ. I don't care about the layout and would feel constrained in that layout. But I do want the functionalities.