From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stephen Leake Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Binding F11 and F12 to buffer-switching and file-saving by default Date: Thu, 01 Feb 2007 07:29:03 -0500 Message-ID: References: <87veio3npx.fsf@localhost.i-did-not-set--mail-host-address--so-tickle-me> <8764ao3hxn.fsf@localhost.i-did-not-set--mail-host-address--so-tickle-me> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1170332989 28886 80.91.229.12 (1 Feb 2007 12:29:49 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2007 12:29:49 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Juanma Barranquero , Jason Spiro , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Stefan Monnier Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Feb 01 13:29:32 2007 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1HCb4F-0007Yj-H6 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 01 Feb 2007 13:29:31 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HCb4F-0005tt-0V for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 01 Feb 2007 07:29:31 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1HCb44-0005r2-63 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 01 Feb 2007 07:29:20 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1HCb42-0005oW-DV for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 01 Feb 2007 07:29:19 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HCb42-0005oH-8K for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 01 Feb 2007 07:29:18 -0500 Original-Received: from smtp02.lnh.mail.rcn.net ([207.172.157.102]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1HCb41-00058Z-Tu for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 01 Feb 2007 07:29:18 -0500 Original-Received: from mr08.lnh.mail.rcn.net ([207.172.157.28]) by smtp02.lnh.mail.rcn.net with ESMTP; 01 Feb 2007 07:29:15 -0500 X-IronPort-AV: i="4.13,266,1167627600"; d="scan'208"; a="401783765:sNHT26451842" Original-Received: from smtp01.lnh.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.lnh.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.11]) by mr08.lnh.mail.rcn.net (MOS 3.7.5a-GA) with ESMTP id IET54868; Thu, 1 Feb 2007 07:29:11 -0500 (EST) Original-Received: from 208-59-165-113.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com (HELO ACS1100007992) ([208.59.165.113]) by smtp01.lnh.mail.rcn.net with ESMTP; 01 Feb 2007 07:29:07 -0500 In-Reply-To: (Stefan Monnier's message of "Tue, 30 Jan 2007 21:19:04 -0500") User-Agent: Gnus/5.1006 (Gnus v5.10.6) Emacs/21.3 (windows-nt) X-Junkmail-Status: score=10/50, host=mr08.lnh.mail.rcn.net X-Junkmail-SD-Raw: score=unknown, refid=str=0001.0A090202.45C1DD1A.000A,ss=1,fgs=0, ip=207.172.4.11, so=2006-05-09 23:27:51, dmn=5.2.125/2006-10-10 X-detected-kernel: FreeBSD 2.0-4.2 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:65738 Archived-At: Stefan Monnier writes: >>> Yes, but as Stefan mentions in his reply to this message, we should at >>> least bind F11 and F12 to *something*. > >> I don't agree. Free, simple keys are a relatively scarce resource. >> I'd rather keep them for users. > > My proposition was not to assign them to some specific meaning, but to give > them a default binding, which the user should be free to override. > I.e. they'd stay free for users to use, but just happen to have a default > non-nil binding. But then some people will _expect_ the default binding to be there, and be surprised when it isn't. I think the function keys should not be bound by default; let each user (or group) bind them. -- -- Stephe