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From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Is it possible to use new Emacsen with non-ASCII?
Date: Thu, 15 May 2008 22:11:23 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <uprrnjsbo.fsf@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <g0hua4$2fkn$1@agate.berkeley.edu>

> From: Ilya Zakharevich <nospam-abuse@ilyaz.org>
> Date: Thu, 15 May 2008 18:10:12 +0000 (UTC)
> Bcc: ilya@gnu.org
> Originator: ilya@powdermilk.math.berkeley.edu
> 
> P.S.  Let me remind what is an 8-bit-safe program: I come to a TTY.
>       The keyboard allows me to enter some characters (encoded as
>       8-bit).  The screen is able to show glyphs for these characters.
> 
>       Given this, I can use
> 
> 	    cat >> file
> 
>       to "edit" a file.  Note that I do not care in any way what is
>       the encoding of these chars...  Emacs should be at least as
>       "smart" as cat.
> 
>       How should one convince Emacs to be as smart as cat, and why
>       this is not documented?

You need to decide whether you want Emacs or cat.  Emacs is not cat,
and cannot be convinced to work like cat.  Trying that will only
complicate your life more than you'd like, and won't give you what you
want.  In fact, using --unibyte you already complicate your life more
than necessary.

Let Emacs work like it was designed to: decode characters when you
visit a file and encode them back when it displays them on the screen.
Try it, it really works.




  reply	other threads:[~2008-05-15 19:11 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 41+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-05-15  0:37 Is it possible to use new Emacsen with non-ASCII? Ilya Zakharevich
2008-05-15  9:24 ` Jason Rumney
2008-05-15 18:02   ` Ilya Zakharevich
2008-05-15 19:06     ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-05-15 19:18       ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-05-15 19:33         ` Eli Zaretskii
     [not found]         ` <mailman.11649.1210880089.18990.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2008-05-16  7:29           ` Ilya Zakharevich
2008-05-16  8:58             ` Eli Zaretskii
     [not found]             ` <mailman.11665.1210928327.18990.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2008-05-16 11:20               ` Ilya Zakharevich
     [not found]     ` <mailman.11643.1210878436.18990.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2008-05-16  7:24       ` Ilya Zakharevich
2008-05-16  8:48         ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-05-15 11:14 ` Peter Dyballa
2008-05-15 13:44 ` Joel J. Adamson
     [not found] ` <mailman.11617.1210850110.18990.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2008-05-15 18:10   ` Ilya Zakharevich
2008-05-15 19:11     ` Eli Zaretskii [this message]
     [not found]     ` <mailman.11644.1210878709.18990.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2008-05-16  7:28       ` Ilya Zakharevich
2008-05-16  8:55         ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-05-16  9:27           ` Eli Zaretskii
     [not found]           ` <mailman.11667.1210930077.18990.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2008-05-16 11:16             ` Ilya Zakharevich
2008-05-16 11:56               ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-05-16 12:03                 ` Eli Zaretskii
     [not found]                 ` <mailman.11687.1210939428.18990.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2008-05-17  0:24                   ` Ilya Zakharevich
2008-05-17  7:26                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-05-19 13:40                     ` Chris McMahan
2008-05-19 18:57                       ` Eli Zaretskii
     [not found]                       ` <mailman.11853.1211223527.18990.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2008-05-20  2:33                         ` Ilya Zakharevich
2008-05-22 20:26                   ` Ilya Zakharevich
2008-05-22 22:09                     ` David Kastrup
2008-05-22 23:07                     ` Jason Rumney
2008-05-23  9:55                       ` Ilya Zakharevich
2008-05-23 10:59                         ` Jason Rumney
2008-05-24  6:58                           ` Ilya Zakharevich
2008-05-24 11:10                             ` Eli Zaretskii
     [not found]               ` <mailman.11686.1210938990.18990.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2008-05-17  0:21                 ` Ilya Zakharevich
2008-05-17  7:22                   ` Eli Zaretskii
     [not found]                   ` <mailman.11744.1211008926.18990.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2008-05-22 20:23                     ` Ilya Zakharevich
2008-05-23  8:59                       ` Eli Zaretskii
     [not found]                       ` <mailman.12090.1211533232.18990.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2008-05-23 10:00                         ` Ilya Zakharevich
     [not found]         ` <mailman.11664.1210928215.18990.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2008-05-16 11:15           ` Ilya Zakharevich
2008-05-16 11:50             ` Eli Zaretskii
     [not found]             ` <mailman.11681.1210938659.18990.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2008-05-17  0:17               ` Ilya Zakharevich

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