From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: tom.horsley@att.net (Thomas A. Horsley) Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Is Emacs becoming Word? Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2005 16:45:44 GMT Organization: AT&T Worldnet Message-ID: References: <20050325180531.GB16586@dionysus.ucolick.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1111855808 18671 80.91.229.2 (26 Mar 2005 16:50:08 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2005 16:50:08 +0000 (UTC) Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Mar 26 17:50:08 2005 Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by ciao.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DFETG-0004a0-9n for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sat, 26 Mar 2005 17:49:10 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DFEiz-000483-0Q for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sat, 26 Mar 2005 12:05:25 -0500 Original-Path: shelby.stanford.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!wn13feed!worldnet.att.net!bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net.POSTED!7d2d8a70!not-for-mail Original-Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help Original-Lines: 28 User-Agent: Gnus/5.09 (Gnus v5.9.0) Emacs/21.2 Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: af184c55291ef4e45f058426e557f86e Original-X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net Original-X-Trace: bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net 1111855544 af184c55291ef4e45f058426e557f86e (Sat, 26 Mar 2005 16:45:44 GMT) Original-NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2005 16:45:44 GMT Original-Xref: shelby.stanford.edu gnu.emacs.help:129642 Original-To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org X-MailScanner-To: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:25193 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.help:25193 >If these two examples are the only problems that bug you, it seems >like you are jumping to conclusions: the cause of your trouble is your >own customizations, and perhaps also a few packages that are not part >of the normal Emacs distribution. Perhaps not his own customizations: I know (from my experience beating them into submission) that the redhat fedora distribution and the suse distribution both do wacky stuff to emacs. I was able to fix redhat with my .emacs file once I discovered their annoying site-lisp/default.el file, but I never did figure out why suse emacs was so strange - I finally just built a nice clean emacs distribution from source and ignored suse's utterly and all my suse emacs problems disappeared. As far as new features being on by default goes, I can understand why leaving them on might be a good idea. If I hate them it gives me an incentive to read up on them to figure out how to turn them off, and if I like them, I'd probably never see them unless they were on by default, because I certainly never read the NEWS file unless I'm forced to :-). I do think it would be a good idea if every item in NEWS came with a snippit of lisp code you could cut & paste into your .emacs to turn it off (most of them time, additional research is required once you learn the name of the feature to discover how to actually disable it). -- >>==>> The *Best* political site >>==+ email: Tom.Horsley@worldnet.att.net icbm: Delray Beach, FL | Free Software and Politics <<==+