From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: What a modern collaboration toolkit looks like Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2008 21:28:31 +0200 Message-ID: References: <20071230122217.3CA84830B9A@snark.thyrsus.com> <4pd9g15e.fsf@blue.sea.net> <874pd92ias.fsf@catnip.gol.com> <87y7al11a1.fsf@catnip.gol.com> Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1200857336 20201 80.91.229.12 (20 Jan 2008 19:28:56 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2008 19:28:56 +0000 (UTC) Cc: lekktu@gmail.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Miles Bader Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Jan 20 20:29:14 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1JGfqz-0003X7-79 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 20 Jan 2008 20:29:13 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JGfqZ-0007kr-OL for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 20 Jan 2008 14:28:47 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1JGfqU-0007i8-W3 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 20 Jan 2008 14:28:43 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1JGfqT-0007fQ-B3 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 20 Jan 2008 14:28:42 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JGfqT-0007fI-5F for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 20 Jan 2008 14:28:41 -0500 Original-Received: from romy.inter.net.il ([213.8.233.24]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1JGfqP-0001Wd-J7; Sun, 20 Jan 2008 14:28:37 -0500 Original-Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 (IGLD-84-228-46-33.inter.net.il [84.228.46.33]) by romy.inter.net.il (MOS 3.7.3-GA) with ESMTP id JZC89457 (AUTH halo1); Sun, 20 Jan 2008 21:28:15 +0200 (IST) In-reply-to: <87y7al11a1.fsf@catnip.gol.com> (message from Miles Bader on Sun, 20 Jan 2008 15:03:50 +0900) X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: FreeBSD 4.7-5.2 (or MacOS X 10.2-10.4) (2) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:87117 Archived-At: > From: Miles Bader > Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2008 15:03:50 +0900 > Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org > > "Juanma Barranquero" writes: > > I doubt Cygwin can be "a fine solution" for anything, but that's just me. > > There seem to be a fair number of windows users who have some sort of > gripe with cygwin, but I've never quite understood what it > is... The gripe is threefold: . You cannot install a single Cygwin package seamlessly, without pulling in a whole bunch of other packages (which could potentially conflict with whatever else you have on your machine -- a hassle, since Cygwin is subtly incompatible with non-Cygwin programs). . There can be only one Cygwin DLL on any given system. This is a hassle: e.g., it practically requires that you always upgrade all your Cygwin packages whenever a new version is uploaded. . Compared to native ports, Cygwin is slow. The first two problems mean in practice that Cygwin is a catholic marriage, unless one has lots of time to tinker with their system. There: now you've heard it. > Yes, obviously in the long run, the msys git port will probably be > preferable to the majority of developers. What you say above seems to > indicate it's further along than I realized. MSYS is just a fork of Cygwin, and as such, shares most of its problems mentioned above. Its primary goal was to provide a _build_ environment for native MinGW ports, not a platform to produce ports used outside of the build environment for their own good.