From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: File menu changes (suggestions)
Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 06:56:29 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <umzplzkw2.fsf@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <MEEKKIABFKKDFJMPIOEBAELMCLAA.drew.adams@oracle.com>
> From: "Drew Adams" <drew.adams@oracle.com>
> Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2005 16:25:53 -0700
>
> 2. Don't reference "buffer" or "file" in File menu items, when this just
> refers to the current buffer/file (or the one that will become current). The
> unreferenced object in a File menu item is understood to be the current
> buffer/file. And the distinction between file and buffer is not needed here.
>
> - New File -> New (but Open is better - see 3, below)
> - Save (current buffer) -> Save
> - Close (current buffer) -> Close
> - Save Buffer As -> Save As
> - Print Buffer -> Print
> - PostScript Print Buffer -> PostScript Print
> - Revert Buffer -> Revert
>
> People are used to all of these File commands in other applications. You
> don't see "Save Page" or "Close Page" in Web-browsers or "Save File" in
> other editors.
We refer to the buffer on purpose: we want users to see Emacs
terminology even in the menus, and even when the menus are following
established UI guidelines and use standard entries like "New" and
"Close".
> a. Currently, there is an inconsistency wrt "Buffer" and "(current buffer)".
That's not an inconsistency: in the first case, "Buffer" is part of
the command name; in the second, it's a minor comment about the
command's operation.
> New is better than New File (but see 3, below).
No, it is not better, since it doesn't say what new entity is created.
Other GUI programs have a submenu there or work only with one type of
entities (or just leave it vague, which we didn't want to do).
> 3. WRT 2b, it is true that the file or buffer opened need not in fact be
> new, so even "New" is misleading. The problem arises because we need a name
> to distinguish open-new-or-existing-buffer-for-new-or-existing-file from
> Open File (existing file only). A better name for New would be just "Open".
"New" is a standard entry in the "File" menu, so I don't think
renaming it to (a non-standard) "Open" is a good idea.
> 4. A better name for Revert is Reopen.
Do you know of any other GUI applications that have such a menu
entry?
> 5. Move all of the window and frame stuff to a new menu, "Frames".
Not good: we have a crammed menu bar already, adding more top-level
items would only make things worse with no real advantage.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2005-06-20 4:56 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 96+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2005-06-19 23:25 File menu changes (suggestions) Drew Adams
2005-06-20 4:56 ` Eli Zaretskii [this message]
2005-06-20 7:03 ` David Kastrup
2005-06-20 16:53 ` Drew Adams
2005-06-20 20:37 ` Eli Zaretskii
2005-06-20 20:48 ` Drew Adams
2005-06-21 2:01 ` Richard Stallman
2005-06-21 7:59 ` Mathias Dahl
2005-06-21 9:19 ` Miles Bader
2005-06-26 4:46 ` Richard M. Stallman
2005-06-26 5:29 ` Lennart Borgman
2005-06-26 22:42 ` Richard M. Stallman
2005-06-26 22:52 ` Lennart Borgman
2005-06-26 23:13 ` Drew Adams
2005-06-27 7:20 ` Eli Zaretskii
2005-06-27 7:37 ` Kim F. Storm
2005-06-27 9:25 ` Miles Bader
2005-06-27 13:29 ` David Kastrup
2005-06-28 4:16 ` Richard M. Stallman
2005-06-26 18:53 ` Eli Zaretskii
2005-06-26 18:00 ` Lennart Borgman
2005-06-26 19:09 ` Eli Zaretskii
2005-06-26 18:20 ` Drew Adams
2005-06-26 19:41 ` John S. Yates, Jr.
[not found] ` <42BF0E53.2020505@student.lu.se>
2005-06-27 12:51 ` John S. Yates, Jr.
2005-06-27 13:31 ` David Kastrup
2005-06-27 17:47 ` Robert J. Chassell
2005-06-28 1:57 ` John S. Yates, Jr.
2005-06-27 13:24 ` David Kastrup
2005-06-27 16:18 ` Drew Adams
2005-06-27 18:44 ` Eli Zaretskii
2005-06-27 18:13 ` Drew Adams
2005-06-27 22:19 ` Eli Zaretskii
2005-06-27 22:33 ` Drew Adams
2005-06-28 4:53 ` Eli Zaretskii
2005-06-28 6:36 ` David Kastrup
2005-06-26 18:30 ` Jason Rumney
2005-06-27 2:06 ` Miles Bader
2005-06-27 7:24 ` Eli Zaretskii
2005-06-27 6:31 ` Miles Bader
2005-06-27 13:26 ` David Kastrup
2005-06-27 18:26 ` Eli Zaretskii
2005-06-27 9:19 ` Jason Rumney
2005-06-27 9:41 ` Miles Bader
2005-06-27 18:25 ` Eli Zaretskii
2005-06-27 20:05 ` David Kastrup
2005-06-27 20:47 ` Lennart Borgman
2005-06-27 21:40 ` Eli Zaretskii
2005-06-27 5:38 ` Richard M. Stallman
2005-06-27 7:24 ` Eli Zaretskii
2005-06-27 11:40 ` John S. Yates, Jr.
2005-06-27 13:26 ` Lennart Borgman
2005-06-27 18:41 ` Eli Zaretskii
[not found] ` <42C044F3.60606@student.lu.se>
[not found] ` <uzmtbeam9.fsf@gnu.org>
2005-06-27 21:06 ` Lennart Borgman
2005-06-28 18:46 ` Richard M. Stallman
2005-06-28 18:54 ` Lennart Borgman
2005-06-29 16:05 ` Sticks! (was: File menu changes (suggestions)) Drew Adams
2005-06-28 4:17 ` File menu changes (suggestions) Richard M. Stallman
2005-06-28 6:39 ` David Kastrup
2005-06-28 5:28 ` Stefan Monnier
2005-06-28 7:17 ` Lennart Borgman
2005-06-28 10:05 ` John S. Yates, Jr.
2005-06-30 21:30 ` Richard M. Stallman
2005-06-30 22:15 ` Miles Bader
2005-07-01 22:45 ` Richard M. Stallman
2005-07-02 2:32 ` Miles Bader
2005-06-28 15:28 ` Drew Adams
2005-06-28 16:01 ` Lennart Borgman
2005-06-28 19:46 ` Eli Zaretskii
2005-06-28 21:36 ` Miles Bader
2005-06-28 22:00 ` David Kastrup
2005-06-30 7:40 ` Miles Bader
2005-06-29 3:39 ` Stefan Monnier
2005-06-29 4:45 ` Miles Bader
2005-06-29 18:51 ` Eli Zaretskii
2005-06-29 23:46 ` Miles Bader
2005-06-30 1:44 ` Richard M. Stallman
2005-06-30 5:38 ` David Kastrup
2005-06-29 20:43 ` Richard M. Stallman
2005-07-01 1:45 ` public
-- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2005-06-21 15:51 File menu changes (suggestions) / Options menu David Reitter
2005-06-22 12:32 ` File menu changes (suggestions) John S. Yates, Jr.
2005-06-23 0:46 ` Miles Bader
2005-06-23 2:26 ` John S. Yates, Jr.
2005-06-23 2:31 ` Miles Bader
2005-06-23 11:18 ` John S. Yates, Jr.
2005-06-23 11:39 ` Miles Bader
2005-06-24 5:36 ` Richard M. Stallman
2005-06-25 1:24 ` John S. Yates, Jr.
2005-06-25 16:40 ` Richard M. Stallman
2005-06-24 10:10 ` Eli Zaretskii
2005-06-26 19:04 David Reitter
2005-06-27 5:37 ` Richard M. Stallman
2005-06-27 8:04 LENNART BORGMAN
2005-06-27 9:24 ` Miles Bader
2005-06-27 20:01 ` Johan Bockgård
2005-06-30 8:53 LENNART BORGMAN
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