From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Mathias Dahl Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Hard to switch from vi Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2006 11:01:26 +0200 Message-ID: References: <45299CB0.5090003@speakeasy.net> <4529A0E4.60403@charter.net> <873b9e509s.fld@apaflo.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1161683543 8815 80.91.229.2 (24 Oct 2006 09:52:23 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2006 09:52:23 +0000 (UTC) Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Oct 24 11:52:18 2006 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by ciao.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GcIx9-0007BP-GN for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 11:52:11 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GcIx9-0007Ad-5P for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 05:52:11 -0400 Original-Path: shelby.stanford.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews.google.com!news4.google.com!news2.volia.net!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!individual.net!not-for-mail Original-Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help Original-Lines: 18 Original-X-Trace: individual.net pdvrl4iC0BchKsUA0/W+UQS5/N+21QaK5w0r1uxy7pdHAbeAw/ User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/22.0.50 (windows-nt) Cancel-Lock: sha1:UCCucEkGh+9c4Q3ZDWRwCRaPFok= Original-Xref: shelby.stanford.edu gnu.emacs.help:142612 Original-To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:38233 Archived-At: floyd@apaflo.com (Floyd L. Davidson) writes: > That is exactly the case. I too think the primary difference is > that for me a modeless editor is easy to use, and a modeful editor > drives me up a tree. For others it is exactly the opposite. > (Granted that one method used by people like me to deal with Vi is > to append, automatically, key strokes to the end of every command to > bring it back to one particular mode.) To be fair, Emacs is full of modes, all the time you are working in different ones. Most are very similar when it comes to basic text editing, but think about Dired or the M-x prompt, or isearch or... Sometimes I get stuck in the M-x or Find File prompt without noticing (because I types those keys by mistake) and I guess that is similar to the problems people get in vi. Personally, when I open vi, I get scared, but some day I will try to tame the beast just so that I do not need to be scared anymore...