From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Building 22.1, on Ubuntu Date: Sat, 08 Sep 2007 16:19:35 +0300 Message-ID: References: <85ejh9xz66.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> <711a73df0709080354p31c2c381oe53c1426e89d2db8@mail.gmail.com> <95082D73-1C20-4A53-84CD-C00FC08C6CA3@Web.DE> <85r6l9wdeq.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1189257597 23578 80.91.229.12 (8 Sep 2007 13:19:57 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2007 13:19:57 +0000 (UTC) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Sep 08 15:19:58 2007 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1IU0E3-000053-HI for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sat, 08 Sep 2007 15:19:51 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IU0E1-0003zE-6Y for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sat, 08 Sep 2007 09:19:49 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1IU0Dp-0003z5-2t for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 08 Sep 2007 09:19:37 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1IU0Do-0003yl-G3 for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 08 Sep 2007 09:19:36 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IU0Do-0003yc-8z for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 08 Sep 2007 09:19:36 -0400 Original-Received: from nitzan.inter.net.il ([213.8.233.22]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1IU0Dn-0002Jh-NW for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 08 Sep 2007 09:19:36 -0400 Original-Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 (IGLD-80-230-141-251.inter.net.il [80.230.141.251]) by nitzan.inter.net.il (MOS 3.7.3a-GA) with ESMTP id HTD28262 (AUTH halo1); Sat, 8 Sep 2007 16:16:50 +0300 (IDT) In-reply-to: <85r6l9wdeq.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> (message from David Kastrup on Sat, 08 Sep 2007 14:27:09 +0200) X-Detected-Kernel: FreeBSD 4.7-5.2 (or MacOS X 10.2-10.4) (2) X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:47360 Archived-At: > From: David Kastrup > Date: Sat, 08 Sep 2007 14:27:09 +0200 > > > Can we please look at this from the OP's point of view, instead of > > demonstrating how much smarter we-all are? That way, we might > > actually learn how to improve Emacs, in addition to being nice and > > helpful. > > I doubt that making him choose Emacs for his first project of > compiling anything is nice and helpful or relevant for improving > Emacs. I was talking about our attitude when asked for help. The rest was an attempt to rationalize the need to be nice and helpful, in case someone actually needs rationalizations for that. (And, btw, many packages are nowadays much harder to build than Emacs. Some of them leave me flabbergasted, notwithstanding the gobs of packages I've built from sources through the years.) > He'd be much better served by installing Emacs 22.1 from > feisty-backports as far as I can see. If someone suggested him to do that, I wouldn't be complaining about how we treat newcomers.