From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Chetan Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: How to get rid of *GNU Emacs* buffer on start-up? Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2008 15:48:23 -0700 Organization: Noname Inc. Message-ID: References: <87ljxoffs6.fsf@atthis.clsnet.nl> <71208e97-140c-445d-8eda-1705f11b14b3@r15g2000prd.googlegroups.com> <095ef0c0-c7f4-494d-8bf6-8a5ee43fd934@i20g2000prf.googlegroups.com> <3c61c357-0705-4ff4-b793-fa6827415fdd@n38g2000prl.googlegroups.com> <9b7f6c54-649a-45d0-8e9b-0dbbd61ef1dd@c36g2000prc.googlegroups.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1222572483 2070 80.91.229.12 (28 Sep 2008 03:28:03 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2008 03:28:03 +0000 (UTC) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Sep 28 05:29:01 2008 connect(): Connection refused Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1Kjmxs-0006xM-H6 for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sun, 28 Sep 2008 05:28:56 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:55699 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Kjmwp-0002i2-Ix for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sat, 27 Sep 2008 23:27:51 -0400 Original-Path: news.stanford.edu!headwall.stanford.edu!newshub.sdsu.edu!flpi089.ffdc.sbc.com!prodigy.net!flpi088.ffdc.sbc.com!prodigy.com!flpi107.ffdc.sbc.com!nlpi065.nbdc.sbc.com.POSTED!8e1d8614!not-for-mail Original-Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help User-Agent: Emacs Gnus Cancel-Lock: sha1:QTeCf1BYy1uTwVJOQ0Oyc4/mUWw= Original-Lines: 38 Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 75.36.179.225 Original-X-Complaints-To: abuse@prodigy.net Original-X-Trace: nlpi065.nbdc.sbc.com 1222555707 ST000 75.36.179.225 (Sat, 27 Sep 2008 18:48:27 EDT) Original-NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2008 18:48:27 EDT X-UserInfo1: TSUGGVCE[BWASVDY[ZOD]_\@VR]^@B@MCPWZKB]MPXHJUZ]CDVW[AKK[J\]^HVKHG^EWZHBLO^[\NH_AZFWGN^\DHNVMX_DHHX[FSQKBOTS@@BP^]C@RHS_AGDDC[AJM_T[GZNRNZAY]GNCPBDYKOLK^_CZFWPGHZIXW@C[AFKBBQS@E@DAZ]VDFUNTQQ]FN Original-Xref: news.stanford.edu gnu.emacs.help:162806 X-Mailman-Approved-At: Sat, 27 Sep 2008 23:27:32 -0400 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:58153 Archived-At: "B. T. Raven" writes: ... Initial comments deleted. I wanted to respond to my own message, but I cannot see my message now. I would like to clarify my earlier post, where I might have appeared rigid in my choice of keys. Personally, I havn't had to work with dumb terminal for quite some time, so I have not had to use the C-n C-p etc. keys for movement. I generally use the arrow keys instead. I don't use CUA mode, either. Nor do I use the menubar or toolbar. However, I felt that for users new to Emacs, being able to use the familiar keys will be a good thing to break the inertia. I remember I fumbled with emacs years ago, until I decided to invest the time in taking the tutorial, which did help. Once the fingers got used to the keystrokes, it wasn't an issue. One of the things I have found is that people, especially the power users, get very upset if changes are made that affect their own setup that they have spent time optimizing, even if the changes may be appreciated by them in the long run. I don't claim to be a UI expert. What matters to me is whether it will help me or someone else work better. Until I see that, I am reluctant to change the way I do things. I am sure the same situation exists with respect to the alternatives to the qwerty keyboard layout. Many people claim that there are better layouts and yet the majority of keyboards shipped today use that layout. Familiarity seems to have a value. If somebody manages to convince me, I might change, but that hasn't happened so far. There may also be situation beyond my control which forces me to change (my keyboard or my key choices). > Btw, I notice that you haven't been gracious enough to thank Chetan for > providing a general solution to your difficulties. Why is that? Thank you. I couldn't locate my message now and was wondering if it did go out. Now I know. Honestly, though, it wasn't all my work. Chetan