From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Sam Steingold Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Showing end of buffer Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 16:41:16 -0500 Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Message-ID: References: <20040122212512.GA31448@fencepost> Reply-To: sds@gnu.org NNTP-Posting-Host: deer.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1074808118 3727 80.91.224.253 (22 Jan 2004 21:48:38 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 21:48:38 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Thu Jan 22 22:48:31 2004 Return-path: Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.224.244]) by deer.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1Ajmgh-0007kd-00 for ; Thu, 22 Jan 2004 22:48:31 +0100 Original-Received: from monty-python.gnu.org ([199.232.76.173]) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1Ajmgg-0003ev-00 for ; Thu, 22 Jan 2004 22:48:31 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1AjmcG-0005GZ-Hy for emacs-devel@quimby.gnus.org; Thu, 22 Jan 2004 16:43:56 -0500 Original-Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.24) id 1Ajmay-0004ln-Be for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 22 Jan 2004 16:42:36 -0500 Original-Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.24) id 1AjmaR-0004WF-4Z for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 22 Jan 2004 16:42:34 -0500 Original-Received: from [198.112.236.6] (helo=alphatech.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1AjmZo-0004Ck-1x; Thu, 22 Jan 2004 16:41:24 -0500 Original-Received: from WINSTEINGOLDLAP (winsteingoldlap-dock.alphatech.com [10.0.19.22]) by alphatech.com (8.11.7+Sun/8.11.6/check_local-4.4) with ESMTP id i0MLfHl01889; Thu, 22 Jan 2004 16:41:17 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Filter: check_local@alphatech.com 4.4(020923:1754) http://digitalanswers.org/ Original-To: Miles Bader X-Attribution: Sam X-Disclaimer: You should not expect anyone to agree with me. Mail-Copies-To: never In-Reply-To: <20040122212512.GA31448@fencepost> (Miles Bader's message of "Thu, 22 Jan 2004 16:25:12 -0500") User-Agent: Gnus/5.1003 (Gnus v5.10.3) Emacs/21.3.50 (windows-nt) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 Precedence: list List-Id: Emacs development discussions. List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:19434 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:19434 > * Miles Bader [2004-01-22 16:25:12 -0500]: > > On Thu, Jan 22, 2004 at 01:11:30PM -0500, Sam Steingold wrote: >> I know it is too late - the feature has already been implemented, >> but how is this better than the scrollbar? >> This whole thing - arrows, EOB/BOB angles - just duplicates the exact >> same information in the scrollbar (without the benefit of clickability). > > (1) It doesn't take up the space the scrollbar does (the fringe is already > there). > > (2) It's visually much lighter weight that a scrollbar. The reason I > don't like using a scrollbar is because it demands too much attention; > these little icons on the other hand seem just about right. > > Also perhaps: > > (3) It lets you avoid the scrollbar when your particular environment happens > to have reallly ugly scrollbars (not uncommon!). OK, so I was not mistaken and this just duplicates the scrollbar functionality. Good. In that case, is it possible to make the fringe arrows clickable? (actually, one can just see the left fringe turning into a scrollbar :-) -- Sam Steingold (http://www.podval.org/~sds) running w2k Perl: all stupidities of UNIX in one.