From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: What holds the release (was: mouse-1-click-follows-link) Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2005 23:58:05 +0200 Message-ID: References: <8564wi2ag7.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> <17070.36649.525270.871681@farnswood.snap.net.nz> Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1118782535 27227 80.91.229.2 (14 Jun 2005 20:55:35 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2005 20:55:35 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Jun 14 22:55:27 2005 Return-path: Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by ciao.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DiIRG-0008UT-Tv for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 14 Jun 2005 22:55:15 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DiIWL-0002hW-8H for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 14 Jun 2005 17:00:29 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DiIW6-0002f2-GP for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 14 Jun 2005 17:00:14 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DiIVy-0002cP-F8 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 14 Jun 2005 17:00:07 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DiIVy-0002c8-7c for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 14 Jun 2005 17:00:06 -0400 Original-Received: from [192.114.186.66] (helo=romy.inter.net.il) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DiIVZ-0007PV-PW for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 14 Jun 2005 16:59:41 -0400 Original-Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 (IGLD-83-130-200-188.inter.net.il [83.130.200.188]) by romy.inter.net.il (MOS 3.5.8-GR) with ESMTP id BNJ63373 (AUTH halo1); Tue, 14 Jun 2005 23:58:16 +0300 (IDT) Original-To: Juanma Barranquero In-reply-to: (message from Juanma Barranquero on Tue, 14 Jun 2005 10:37:04 +0200) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:38835 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:38835 > Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2005 10:37:04 +0200 > From: Juanma Barranquero > Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org > > What *is* clear is that the current procedures do *not* induce > speedy releases. I don't think the procedures are the main culprit, or even an important one. What holds the release is the enormous amount of mundane work to be done before we consider ourselves ready for the next release, and the relatively small number of people who get themselves busy working on those mundane issues. > As discussed several times before, many projects, some with far > fewer people than this, do just fine with forking to prepare a > release and let people do new developments on the trunk. It's not useful to blindly copy procedures from other projects, IMHO. Most of them don't get anywhere near Emacs in complexity and diversity of the features, nor are their different subsystems so loosely coupled as they are in Emacs, and so demanding many different talents and expertise in many almost unrelated fields. There are other important factors not to be forgotten: for example, the state of the documentation of most other projects is abysmal compared to Emacs, largely due to Richard's insistence on having the manuals updated and proofread several times before Emacs is declared as release-ready (which, of course, holds off releases, sometimes for a very long time). Etc., etc.