From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Mathias Dahl Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Right Alt/Meta keys on Windows systems Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 09:54:25 +0100 Message-ID: References: <200512281541.jBSFfXUQ013499@copa.pajato.com> <200512282155.22035.pogonyshev@gmx.net> <200512282231.19843.pogonyshev@gmx.net> <43B2FB79.6040809@student.lu.se> NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1135932897 18476 80.91.229.2 (30 Dec 2005 08:54:57 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 08:54:57 +0000 (UTC) Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Dec 30 09:54:55 2005 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by ciao.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EsG2E-0002eS-Fo for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 09:54:50 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EsG3a-0006Mc-IY for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 03:56:14 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1EsG2U-0006MD-V9 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 03:55:07 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1EsG2T-0006Lp-Fe for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 03:55:06 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EsG2T-0006Lj-4K for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 03:55:05 -0500 Original-Received: from [80.91.229.2] (helo=ciao.gmane.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA:16) (Exim 4.34) id 1EsG2x-00042I-Ep for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 03:55:35 -0500 Original-Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1EsG10-0002T9-Ip for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 09:53:34 +0100 Original-Received: from user.ifsab.se ([193.41.170.225]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 09:53:34 +0100 Original-Received: from brakjoller by user.ifsab.se with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 09:53:34 +0100 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Original-To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-Lines: 25 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: user.ifsab.se User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/22.0.50 (windows-nt) Cancel-Lock: sha1:RN+Q36HCHxC4knTIH08vZ3gnp6Y= X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:48544 Archived-At: Lennart Borgman writes: > Using the menus is otherwise a pain. But > instead I sacrifice the use of the left and right Windows keys. For me > this is far better since I use the menus much more often when the > Windows keys. (In fact I never use the left and right windows keys - > except in Emacs. I use Ctrl-Esc instead.) This is off-topic, I know: I think you miss out quite many nice keyboard shortcuts in Windows if you "disabled" those keys. Just some example: W-r, W-e, W-d, W-m, W-Pause/Break etc. Also, it is great to have it as an extra modifier key in Windows in general if you have a program that can bind commands/programs to it. I am sure you know about F10 doing the same as a single left Alt key press, and I know it is not exactly as convenient as you cannot press it at the same time as another key, for example Alt-f, for activating the File menu. Maybe you should try out Drew's menu navigator thingy (which uses icicles, which in turn I am not comfortable with, but...). Anyway, we could discuss this off-list instead. Things like keyboard shortcuts and other productivity enhancements and time savers is of great interest to me.