From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: EmacsW32 invocation options Date: Sat, 05 May 2007 09:48:31 +0300 Message-ID: References: <59osrdF2m97hgU1@mid.individual.net> <4637A396.9000300@gmail.com> <46383B57.6050508@gmail.com> <4638EE03.8000602@gmail.com> <0F2D02E5-0CD7-4524-A4F2-338F22381A0D@Web.DE> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1178347734 16756 80.91.229.12 (5 May 2007 06:48:54 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 5 May 2007 06:48:54 +0000 (UTC) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat May 05 08:48:52 2007 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1HkE4Y-00077f-4w for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sat, 05 May 2007 08:48:50 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HkEBG-0003DU-8e for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sat, 05 May 2007 02:55:46 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1HkEB3-0003DP-Qa for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 05 May 2007 02:55:33 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1HkEB1-0003DD-ES for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 05 May 2007 02:55:32 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HkEB1-0003DA-8w for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 05 May 2007 02:55:31 -0400 Original-Received: from nitzan.inter.net.il ([213.8.233.22]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1HkE4I-0003pg-5y for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 05 May 2007 02:48:34 -0400 Original-Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 (IGLD-84-229-235-184.inter.net.il [84.229.235.184]) by nitzan.inter.net.il (MOS 3.7.3a-GA) with ESMTP id GRD85177 (AUTH halo1); Sat, 5 May 2007 09:48:33 +0300 (IDT) In-reply-to: <0F2D02E5-0CD7-4524-A4F2-338F22381A0D@Web.DE> (message from Peter Dyballa on Sat, 5 May 2007 01:03:23 +0200) X-detected-kernel: FreeBSD 4.7-5.2 (or MacOS X 10.2-10.4) (2) X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:43716 Archived-At: > Cc: Eli Zaretskii , > help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org > From: Peter Dyballa > Date: Sat, 5 May 2007 01:03:23 +0200 > > I don't think it's a bad situation. Their developers have particular > hobbies or preferences. If they were not allowed to change things > they might be like me: not developing anything. No one can disallow changing Free Software. But no one can disallow me from having an opinion about such projects, either. Now, while I'm quite ignorant about the Mac and the user expectations on that platform, I do know a lot about Windows (and work on that OS myself many hours a day). So, while my opinion about the situation on the Mac does not matter (and therefore I won't comment on it), that is not the case on Windows. I don't think the Windows environment is so different from the Unix environment to justify different defaults in most aspects of Emacs behavior. (We do have different defaults in some aspects that do matter, such as the end-of-line convention, for example.) > IMO it would be fine if the "official" GNU Emacs site would point to > sites providing "non-official" flavours of GNU Emacs, and these sites > would document their changes and additions. Maybe it is a good idea, but I still think that proliferation of different default behaviors is an impediment for newbies. Witness the problems with helping Debian users because the packages are influenced by site-init files that change many aspects of the default behavior.