From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: elisp's cl package. Don't understand the notice about eval-when-compile Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 21:20:26 +0300 Message-ID: References: <558fb909-6290-4c04-88a3-ad385d75f456@e1g2000pra.googlegroups.com> <503a0896-cb54-4989-afef-2c59939d4052@d7g2000prl.googlegroups.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1238350987 13295 80.91.229.12 (29 Mar 2009 18:23:07 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 18:23:07 +0000 (UTC) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Mar 29 20:24:25 2009 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1LnzgC-000148-0H for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sun, 29 Mar 2009 20:24:20 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:45061 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Lnzeo-0003dp-LL for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sun, 29 Mar 2009 14:22:54 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1LnzeS-0003di-Lt for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 29 Mar 2009 14:22:32 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1LnzeP-0003dL-JS for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 29 Mar 2009 14:22:32 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=35013 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1LnzeP-0003dI-DY for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 29 Mar 2009 14:22:29 -0400 Original-Received: from mtaout2.012.net.il ([84.95.2.4]:37919) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1LnzeP-0003Jp-0z for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 29 Mar 2009 14:22:29 -0400 Original-Received: from conversion-daemon.i_mtaout2.012.net.il by i_mtaout2.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2004.12) id <0KHA00I005KW1O00@i_mtaout2.012.net.il> for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 29 Mar 2009 21:22:27 +0300 (IDT) Original-Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([84.229.213.71]) by i_mtaout2.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2004.12) with ESMTPA id <0KHA006OG5PFS1H0@i_mtaout2.012.net.il> for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 29 Mar 2009 21:22:27 +0300 (IDT) In-reply-to: <503a0896-cb54-4989-afef-2c59939d4052@d7g2000prl.googlegroups.com> X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: Solaris 9.1 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:63377 Archived-At: > From: Xah Lee > Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2009 23:30:37 -0700 (PDT) >=20 > I just want to note here that wild non-fact and philosophical eleme= nts > are starting to flying in. >=20 > Richard Stallman, his use of =E2=80=9Cfree=E2=80=9D in his concept = of Free Software > and Free Software Foundation, is a abuse of English. I do not know = he > did this with the intent to ride the ambiguity for the marketing > benefit of the catcher word =E2=80=9Cfree=E2=80=9D, or innocently d= ue to the fuzziness > of English. In any case, from the numerous talks and lectures he ga= ve, > it is apparent he is abusing the concept of freedom to gain > supporters. >=20 > Please do not use the word =E2=80=9Cfree=E2=80=9D like he want you = to. When referring > to his philosophical stance of software and his foundation, please = say > perhaps put a quote such as: =E2=80=9CFree Software=E2=80=9D and = =E2=80=9CFree Software > Foundation=E2=80=9D, or FSF Software. >=20 > Don't say =E2=80=9Cnon-free=E2=80=9D to refer to commercial softwar= e that are disliked > by FSF. Simply just say software, or commercial software if so, or = non- > FSF ideal software. Don't listen to this ignorant hogwash. FSF does not dislike commercial software (in fact, FSF sells GNU software and books about GNU software itself). FSF dislikes _proprietary_ software, which is entirely different.