From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Oliver Scholz Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: C-f, C-b, C-n and C-p or right, left, down, up? Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2003 10:48:42 +0200 Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Message-ID: References: <1c58a7c3.0310010003.78c0fa00@posting.google.com> <871xtoc2o0.fsf@verizon.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: deer.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1065604613 19439 80.91.224.253 (8 Oct 2003 09:16:53 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 09:16:53 +0000 (UTC) Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Oct 08 11:16:51 2003 Return-path: Original-Received: from monty-python.gnu.org ([199.232.76.173]) by deer.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1A7AR9-0000LJ-00 for ; Wed, 08 Oct 2003 11:16:51 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1A7AQk-0000Bi-Ku for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 08 Oct 2003 05:16:26 -0400 Original-Path: shelby.stanford.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!cyclone.bc.net!newspump.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.fjserv.net!skynet.be!skynet.be!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!dialin-145-254-206-176.arcor-ip.NET!not-for-mail Original-Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help Original-Lines: 34 Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: dialin-145-254-206-176.arcor-ip.net (145.254.206.176) Original-X-Trace: news.uni-berlin.de 1065603878 17199925 145.254.206.176 (16 [87814]) X-Attribution: os X-Face: "HgH2sgK|bfH$; PiOJI6|qUCf.ve<51_Od(%ynHr?=>znn#~#oS>",F%B8&\vus),2AsPYb -n>PgddtGEn}s7kH?7kH{P_~vu?]OvVN^qD(L)>G^gDCl(U9n{:d>'DkilN!_K"eNzjrtI4Ya6; Td% IZGMbJ{lawG+'J>QXPZD&TwWU@^~A}f^zAb[Ru;CT(UA]c& User-Agent: Gnus/5.1002 (Gnus v5.10.2) Emacs/21.3.50 (windows-nt) Cancel-Lock: sha1:hSPf/928j9lvbMDVeuPJpf8pi8c= Original-Xref: shelby.stanford.edu gnu.emacs.help:117126 Original-To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:13054 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.help:13054 Stefan Monnier writes: >> I'm still working on telepathically controlling the machine. It is >> surprisingly difficult. > > Huh? It should work without even thinking about it. > Are you sure you did the M-x telepathy-server ? [...] As for the telepathy-UI new in the CVS version, I am not sure whether it is worth the trouble. Last time I tried it, I found myself constantly misthinking. It only works for me if I concentrate hard enough not to think about anything “wrong”. But as soon as I let my thoughts a little bit wander ... And even if I concentrate very hard, I don't have the necessary fine control yet. In general I have to use undo most of the time. I think this is a general problem with this sort of UI. It only works right, when you learn to use your editor as some sort of extra-limb. Like a very complex hand, for example. Not that this would be a bad idea, but---well, it took a very long time for all of us to learn to use our hands. And I am not sure whether I am not simply too old to learn to use a new one. So IMO the usual UI via the keyboard is much superior. The thought “How was that in the manual again?”, for instance, almost instantly makes my fingers hitting `C-h i'. Other key combos are similar. This is as close as we can come to an telepathic interface without the overhead to learn to use an extra limb. Oliver -- 17 Vendémiaire an 212 de la Révolution Liberté, Egalité, Fraternité!