From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: C-h K and C-h F in the Help menu Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 21:39:48 +0300 Message-ID: References: <4470F42E.4040104@student.lu.se> Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1148323306 3657 80.91.229.2 (22 May 2006 18:41:46 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 18:41:46 +0000 (UTC) Cc: lennart.borgman.073@student.lu.se, emacs-devel@gnu.org, acm@muc.de Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon May 22 20:41:41 2006 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by ciao.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FiFLK-0007rb-26 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 22 May 2006 20:41:26 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FiFLJ-0000aD-GX for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 22 May 2006 14:41:25 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1FiFKF-0000K5-VE for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 22 May 2006 14:40:20 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1FiFKE-0000In-3x for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 22 May 2006 14:40:19 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FiFKD-0000Ii-Rq for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 22 May 2006 14:40:17 -0400 Original-Received: from [192.114.186.17] (helo=gandalf.inter.net.il) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FiFNv-0003dD-IW; Mon, 22 May 2006 14:44:07 -0400 Original-Received: from nitzan.inter.net.il (nitzan.inter.net.il [192.114.186.20]) by gandalf.inter.net.il (MOS 3.7.1-GA) with ESMTP id ITV48161; Mon, 22 May 2006 21:39:52 +0300 (IDT) Original-Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 (IGLD-80-230-20-135.inter.net.il [80.230.20.135]) by nitzan.inter.net.il (MOS 3.7.3-GA) with ESMTP id DKX31536 (AUTH halo1); Mon, 22 May 2006 21:39:47 +0300 (IDT) Original-To: rms@gnu.org In-reply-to: (message from Richard Stallman on Mon, 22 May 2006 11:12:06 -0400) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:55068 Archived-At: > From: Richard Stallman > CC: acm@muc.de, eliz@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org > Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 11:12:06 -0400 > > You are right. It has disadvantages that some items are invisible but it > also has advantages. However I do not believe that accessing an item > fast is of much importance in the help menus. Is it not more important > to easily get an overview of what is there? > > I think that is a good point. In Emacs, generally, the menus are not > intended for speed. If you want speed, you use the keyboard. The > menus are there to help beginners get an idea of what they can do. Speed is not the main consideration here; the ease of finding the menu item you looking for is. Disseminating the menu items between many submenus will make that much harder. Other applications have menus of similar length, so I think we are in good company and shouldn't bother.