From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#1305: Please disable the audible bell by default, to avoid discouraging newbies in crowded offices and elsewhere Date: Fri, 07 Nov 2008 18:52:03 +0200 Message-ID: References: Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii , 1305@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1226078355 27332 80.91.229.12 (7 Nov 2008 17:19:15 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 17:19:15 +0000 (UTC) Cc: jasonspiro4@gmail.com, bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org, 1305@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com To: Stefan Monnier Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Nov 07 18:20:17 2008 connect(): Connection refused Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1KyV0J-0000WA-I3 for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 07 Nov 2008 18:20:15 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:38421 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KyUzC-0003CV-1L for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 07 Nov 2008 12:19:06 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KyUqZ-0003W8-PH for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 07 Nov 2008 12:10:11 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KyUqY-0003UO-0m for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 07 Nov 2008 12:10:11 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=49076 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KyUqX-0003U0-KN for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 07 Nov 2008 12:10:09 -0500 Original-Received: from rzlab.ucr.edu ([138.23.92.77]:42894) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1KyUqX-0001P3-AT for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 07 Nov 2008 12:10:09 -0500 Original-Received: from rzlab.ucr.edu (rzlab.ucr.edu [127.0.0.1]) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8/Debian-3) with ESMTP id mA7HA68a018370; Fri, 7 Nov 2008 09:10:06 -0800 Original-Received: (from debbugs@localhost) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8/Submit) id mA7H05Mo015074; Fri, 7 Nov 2008 09:00:05 -0800 X-Loop: don@donarmstrong.com Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Resent-To: bug-submit-list@donarmstrong.com Resent-CC: Emacs Bugs Resent-Date: Fri, 07 Nov 2008 17:00:05 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: don@donarmstrong.com X-Emacs-PR-Message: report 1305 X-Emacs-PR-Package: emacs X-Emacs-PR-Keywords: Original-Received: via spool by 1305-submit@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com id=B1305.122607678513693 (code B ref 1305); Fri, 07 Nov 2008 17:00:05 +0000 Original-Received: (at 1305) by emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com; 7 Nov 2008 16:53:05 +0000 Original-Received: from mtaout1.012.net.il (mtaout1.012.net.il [84.95.2.1]) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8/Debian-3) with ESMTP id mA7Gr1w1013676 for <1305@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com>; Fri, 7 Nov 2008 08:53:03 -0800 Original-Received: from conversion-daemon.i-mtaout1.012.net.il by i-mtaout1.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) id <0K9Z00H002VKY800@i-mtaout1.012.net.il> for 1305@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com; Fri, 07 Nov 2008 18:53:48 +0200 (IST) Original-Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([77.126.241.172]) by i-mtaout1.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0K9Z00F202XOLE80@i-mtaout1.012.net.il>; Fri, 07 Nov 2008 18:53:48 +0200 (IST) In-reply-to: X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il X-CrossAssassin-Score: 2 X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) Resent-Date: Fri, 07 Nov 2008 12:10:11 -0500 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:22207 Archived-At: > From: Stefan Monnier > Cc: 1305@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com, Jason Spiro , bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org > Date: Fri, 07 Nov 2008 09:54:02 -0500 > > > The problem is, without the beep, the screen sometimes does not change > > at all. And that is BAD, from the HE point of view, at least IMO. > > That sounds like a bug to me. In which circumstances does the > visible-bell fail to work? I didn't mean visible-bell fails to work, I meant if we abolish any visual or audible signs. The OP asked as his 1st choice to disable the beep, not replace it with visible-bell.