From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: don provan Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Hard to switch from vi Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 10:15:36 -0700 Message-ID: References: <45299CB0.5090003@speakeasy.net> <4529A0E4.60403@charter.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1161625252 11189 80.91.229.2 (23 Oct 2006 17:40:52 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 17:40:52 +0000 (UTC) Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Oct 23 19:40:48 2006 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by ciao.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gc3mr-00077k-6U for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 19:40:33 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gc3mq-0002Db-I8 for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 13:40:32 -0400 Original-Path: shelby.stanford.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews.google.com!news3.google.com!border1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!local01.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.comcast.com!news.comcast.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Original-NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 12:15:26 -0500 Original-Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help User-Agent: Gnus/5.1006 (Gnus v5.10.6) Emacs/21.3 (windows-nt) Cancel-Lock: sha1:n71xWI7BiJ2ARJ/HBqLrJsM3bgY= Original-Lines: 21 Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.5.238.65 Original-X-Trace: sv3-UQjD8HYWOaTUfIEqHmqPKQ+n3wVFOVlD4XXID45+Nb/W9ql3nMlZXEZgaknF8sX9uVSQkCElfQjTGPZ!aCdEJX3YHXozbx6qo+NJxFaA2dbHwxQYv6McRJNtyvHmi9+b827EbAjMW9kdpg== Original-X-Complaints-To: abuse@comcast.net X-DMCA-Complaints-To: dmca@comcast.net X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.3.32 Original-Xref: shelby.stanford.edu gnu.emacs.help:142582 Original-To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:38204 Archived-At: Lennart Borgman writes: > Well, I have to push two keys to type control-f. Don't you? Emacs users don't notice this any more than we notice using shift to get capital letters: modifiers are an advantage, not an overhead. But obviously if you see that as two keystrokes, you're likely to get very near double the number of keystrokes for Emacs over vi. > Beginning to use vi keys are rather tough. But once you are used to > them they can be very good. I know since they are good for me ;-) Yes, I'm obviously not that familiar with the keys, but the point I was making was about the fact that the vi approach requires my mind to be in sync with the editor's mode, and whenever the two are out of sync, there's going to be trouble. I consider this *the* principle difference between the two editors, and why I would never for a moment consider switching to vi. I hate CAPSLOCK and the PC Insert key for the same reason. -don