From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: multi-tty breakage on MS-Windows Date: Sat, 08 Sep 2007 19:29:45 +0300 Message-ID: References: <200709081532.l88FWcUu014489@oogie-boogie.ics.uci.edu> Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1189269010 21123 80.91.229.12 (8 Sep 2007 16:30:10 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2007 16:30:10 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Dan Nicolaescu Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Sep 08 18:30:05 2007 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1IU3C1-00073M-I5 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 08 Sep 2007 18:29:57 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IU3Bz-0002yD-6f for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 08 Sep 2007 12:29:55 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1IU3Bw-0002y7-0z for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 08 Sep 2007 12:29:52 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1IU3Bt-0002xX-JC for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 08 Sep 2007 12:29:50 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IU3Bt-0002xU-Aw for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 08 Sep 2007 12:29:49 -0400 Original-Received: from romy.inter.net.il ([213.8.233.24]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1IU3Bs-0004vv-Tv for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 08 Sep 2007 12:29:49 -0400 Original-Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 (IGLD-80-230-141-251.inter.net.il [80.230.141.251]) by romy.inter.net.il (MOS 3.7.3-GA) with ESMTP id IVO38245 (AUTH halo1); Sat, 8 Sep 2007 19:29:35 +0300 (IDT) In-reply-to: <200709081532.l88FWcUu014489@oogie-boogie.ics.uci.edu> (message from Dan Nicolaescu on Sat, 08 Sep 2007 08:32:38 -0700) X-Detected-Kernel: FreeBSD 4.7-5.2 (or MacOS X 10.2-10.4) (2) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:78272 Archived-At: > Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org > From: Dan Nicolaescu > Date: Sat, 08 Sep 2007 08:32:38 -0700 > > Eli Zaretskii writes: > > > Is this incompatibility an absolute must? > > I think so, the communication between the emacsclient and emacs is > more complex now, more stuff is sent over the wire. Too bad. This will make life harder for those who, like me, routinely run several different versions of Emacs (to test each one of them at least to some extent). > > . "emacs -nw" crashes on startup; backtrace attached below. > > This is a known problem, Jason Rumney stated that this does not work > in his message announcing that multi-tty was ported to Windows. > Can you please help fixing it? I will, if I find enough time. This is made harder by almost complete lack of documentation of how multi-tty works. Can someone please make an effort of explaining it in plain English? The changes installed as result of the merge are extensive and very invasive, and it's hard to figure them out without some guidance. Judging by the amount of problems we had lately on any platform but GNU/Linux, I think we will need much more working knowledge of this feature before we can go on with merging unicode-2 etc. Also, how come Karoly is suddenly silent or unavailable for help when his work is being installed and used on platforms he obviously didn't try? It's annoying, to say the least: such a significant change becomes almost completely unsupported the moment it's merged into the trunk.