From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: describe-bindings: ^L, bad order, naming Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2005 08:25:38 +0200 Message-ID: References: Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1131776789 22718 80.91.229.2 (12 Nov 2005 06:26:29 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2005 06:26:29 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Nov 12 07:26:20 2005 Return-path: Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by ciao.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Eaopg-0004yb-Hs for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 12 Nov 2005 07:25:49 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Eaopf-0004dm-Po for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 12 Nov 2005 01:25:47 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1EaopX-0004dg-KL for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 12 Nov 2005 01:25:39 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1EaopW-0004dU-4h for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 12 Nov 2005 01:25:39 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EaopW-0004dR-11 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 12 Nov 2005 01:25:38 -0500 Original-Received: from [192.114.186.66] (helo=romy.inter.net.il) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1EaopV-0006NE-W5 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 12 Nov 2005 01:25:38 -0500 Original-Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 (IGLD-80-230-68-181.inter.net.il [80.230.68.181]) by romy.inter.net.il (MOS 3.5.8-GR) with ESMTP id CYR90386 (AUTH halo1); Sat, 12 Nov 2005 08:25:35 +0200 (IST) Original-To: "Drew Adams" In-reply-to: X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:45806 Archived-At: > From: "Drew Adams" > Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2005 11:10:16 -0800 > > Here's one more idea for displaying the bindings (it could also be > useful for what display-mode shows): put the help buffer into Outline > mode and use Outline-style headings instead of the ^L delimiters. > Initially, the display could be collapsed so that only the headings > are shown; users then could use Outline commands both for movement > between groups of bindings and for showing only those groups they are > interested in. > > That might be OK, but I believe Outline mode can be a bit scary for > newbies - it's not always immediately clear how to use it. We could put some basic instructions at the beginning of the buffer, like we do in Custom. Or (gasp) we could put a graphic control that looks like a button with a `+' character before each heading, which most people will recognize as a sign that there's something hidden here that will show if one clicks on the button. > I think the main problem is the extraneous, uninteresting bindings, which > you say is a bug. Getting rid of them will be a big help. What is uninteresting to you and me might be very important to someone else. Outline makes it simple to display only what one wants to see.