From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Galen Boyer Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Software/HD ecology (was Re:...Bug in Emacs 21.3.50) Date: 10 Dec 2002 11:31:26 -0600 Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+gnu-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Message-ID: References: <041220020952400758%ajanta@no.spam> <56cfb0e3.0212041458.5eab182a@posting.google.com> <061220020416350201%ajanta@no.spam> <061220021433180478%ajanta@no.spam> <5l3cpalpa1.fsf@rum.cs.yale.edu> <84bs3xsyi8.fsf@lucy.cs.uni-dortmund.de> <071220021155280606%ajanta@no.spam> <5ld6obj8il.fsf@rum.cs.yale.edu> <091220021652087216%ajanta@no.spam> <5l1y4qj8mc.fsf@rum.cs.yale.edu> <101220021125583826%ajanta@no.spam> NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1039541799 26947 80.91.224.249 (10 Dec 2002 17:36:39 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 17:36:39 +0000 (UTC) Return-path: Original-Received: from monty-python.gnu.org ([199.232.76.173]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 18LoJC-00070M-00 for ; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 18:36:38 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.10.13) id 18LoI0-0001W9-04 for gnu-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 12:35:24 -0500 Original-Path: shelby.stanford.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsengine.sol.net!priapus.visi.com!news-out.visi.com!hermes.visi.com!novia!newscene.com!newscene.com!newscene!novia!novia!sequencer.newscene.com!not-for-mail Original-Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.text.tex,gnu.emacs.help Original-Lines: 41 Original-Sender: galenboyer@hotpop.com User-Agent: Gnus/5.09 (Gnus v5.9.0) Emacs/21.2 Original-Xref: shelby.stanford.edu comp.sys.mac.apps:348503 gnu.emacs.help:107957 Original-To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b5 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+gnu-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:4495 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.help:4495 On Tue, 10 Dec 2002, ajanta@no.spam wrote: > Stefan Monnier wrote: > >> The size of emacs/lisp/language is about 700KB here. Peanuts. >>... >> The amount of space used up by the other >> emacs/lisp/international features (mostly support for various >> charsets) is less than 4MB. Not worth the trouble. ... HD >> space is not expensive enough to justify wasting any time on >> this. > > First of all, thank you for all the help. Secondly, I do have a > slightly different philosophical perspective on unneeded disk > clutter, perhaps rooted in my familarity with the third world. > > You see, people in the 3rd world produce much less trash than > say the US. And their urban poor actually "recycle" most of > it. Yet, without systematic and uncompromising management, it > still keeps adding up, and their cities are living hell > compared to American cities that in fact generate a lot more > garbage. > > The difference is in constant sorting and processing, of even > the smallest piece of paper or plastic, shall we say of even a > single peanut shell? :) > > In fact many 3rd world people show remarkably similar attitude: > the Forest/River/Beach is so big and I am just throwing one > candy wrapper, what's the big deal? > > To make a long story short I believe all programs should come > with tools to minimize unnecessary clutter and also to safely > and completely uninstall themselves if asked. Whew! Can you send an encrypted phone number to your dealer? My stash of really awesome POT is getting low. -- Galen Boyer