From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: New start up splash screen annoyance... Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 10:02:29 +0300 Message-ID: References: <87sl5n5yem.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <87fy1nbe4f.fsf@jurta.org> <86myvu2zw1.fsf@lola.quinscape.zz> <87d4wodiof.fsf@stupidchicken.com> Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1189580559 24528 80.91.229.12 (12 Sep 2007 07:02:39 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 07:02:39 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Chong Yidong Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Sep 12 09:02:34 2007 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1IVMF8-0006bQ-H9 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 12 Sep 2007 09:02:34 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IVMF8-0003LM-GK for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 12 Sep 2007 03:02:34 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1IVMF5-0003L7-Ck for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 12 Sep 2007 03:02:31 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1IVMF3-0003Kv-2a for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 12 Sep 2007 03:02:30 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IVMF2-0003Ks-U7 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 12 Sep 2007 03:02:28 -0400 Original-Received: from mx20.gnu.org ([199.232.41.8]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1IVMF2-0007Pn-Br for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 12 Sep 2007 03:02:28 -0400 Original-Received: from heller.inter.net.il ([213.8.233.23]) by mx20.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1IVMF1-0008NI-KG for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 12 Sep 2007 03:02:27 -0400 Original-Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 (IGLD-84-229-249-107.inter.net.il [84.229.249.107]) by heller.inter.net.il (MOS 3.7.3a-GA) with ESMTP id DPK72334 (AUTH halo1); Wed, 12 Sep 2007 10:02:24 +0300 (IDT) In-reply-to: <87d4wodiof.fsf@stupidchicken.com> (message from Chong Yidong on Tue, 11 Sep 2007 16:57:20 -0400) X-detected-kernel: FreeBSD 4.7-5.2 (or MacOS X 10.2-10.4) (2) X-Detected-Kernel: Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:78627 Archived-At: > From: Chong Yidong > Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 16:57:20 -0400 > Cc: juri@jurta.org, wilde@sha-bang.de, emacs-devel@gnu.org > > > Over 20 years of Emacs experience shows that it is important to teach > > beginners to unlearn the habit of finding a file by typing `emacs FILE'. > > What you say may have been true 20 years ago. > > On modern computers, Emacs starts up so quickly and uses such an > insignificant amount of memory that there is basically much no > difference between starting a new Emacs and returning to a > pre-existing Emacs session. There will always be a difference, no matter how fast and memory-rich our computers will be, as long as ending a session makes certain things go away, like history variables, buffers that don't visit files, etc. If I take your argument to the absurd, you are actually saying that if the machine boots fast enough, let's reboot it for each new command we run. Why not? it certainly cleans up memory from random junk put there by buggy software.