From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Ren=E9?= Kyllingstad Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Release plans Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 15:28:59 -0100 Message-ID: References: <20080814083817.GA2593@muc.de> <877iak7xfp.fsf@skyscraper.fehenstaub.lan> <873al79akr.fsf@skyscraper.fehenstaub.lan> <48A5BAD7.8030302@emf.net> <48A740CB.4050404@emf.net> <20080816213508.GA8530@muc.de> <48A78EE4.50802@emf.net> <20080817080126.GB1294@muc.de> <48A86304.3020301@emf.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1219164000 30728 80.91.229.12 (19 Aug 2008 16:40:00 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 16:40:00 +0000 (UTC) Cc: acm@muc.de, Thomas Lord , emacs-devel@gnu.org, ams@gnu.org, hannes@saeurebad.de To: rms@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Aug 19 18:40:51 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1KVUFz-0006yy-GE for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 19 Aug 2008 18:40:31 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:59734 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KVUF2-0007WA-Ay for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 19 Aug 2008 12:39:32 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KVU56-00010c-41 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 19 Aug 2008 12:29:16 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KVU54-0000z3-9v for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 19 Aug 2008 12:29:14 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=42597 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KVU53-0000ym-SU for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 19 Aug 2008 12:29:14 -0400 Original-Received: from mail.esmertec.com ([212.249.37.45]:52547 helo=postie.esmertec.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1KVU4v-0005gy-Q9; Tue, 19 Aug 2008 12:29:06 -0400 Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by postie.esmertec.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D4F9C31AB7; Tue, 19 Aug 2008 18:29:02 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from postie.esmertec.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (postie.esmertec.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 28456-07; Tue, 19 Aug 2008 18:29:02 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from mail.esmertec.com (unknown [10.10.10.10]) by postie.esmertec.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 71B23DEEF; Tue, 19 Aug 2008 18:29:02 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from BARBUDA ([10.10.9.60]) by mail.esmertec.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Tue, 19 Aug 2008 18:29:02 +0200 User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/22.2 (windows-nt) X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Aug 2008 16:29:02.0156 (UTC) FILETIME=[B09168C0:01C90218] X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at esmertec.com X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:102671 Archived-At: * Richard M. Stallman: > If the free and non-free software worlds are regarded as > opposing armies, the GNU army's choice is to either inflict a > loss on both sides (no dynamic loader -- the defeatist strategy) > or afford both sides a possible win (possible free and non-free > add-ons). >=20=20 > A win for non-free software is ipso facto a loss for our campaign to > eliminate non-free software. When the non-free software in question > is an add-on for a free program, it tends to pervert the liberating > nature and message of that free program; that is another kind of loss > for us. These are the potential kinds of harm that I am concerned to > avert. >=20=20 > Our community develops lots of free software, but which software it > develops is a matter of what many people are inspired to do. > We cannot count on the community to develop a free equivalent > of a nasty Emacs add-on in a short time, not if it is nontrivial. I'd like to get your comment on another side of this: One problem the free software community is struggling with is funding. Developing new software is time consuming. It's made even harder if a team is not working together in the same building, and only part-time. If a company would put a lot of effort into creating a non-free Emacs plug-in, the effort of coming up with the idea and finding out exactly how it should work would be paid for by them. Then it's a much easier job for the free software community to organize an effort to implement the missing parts as free software, since it's clear to everyone exactly what kind of features are being discussed. It's hardly a new argument, I just haven't seen anyone acknowledging it in this thread, and funding of free software is also a topic that interests me very much. -- Ren=E9