From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Emacs vista build failures Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2008 09:03:53 +0300 Message-ID: References: <87ej5oz4pb.fsf@saeurebad.de> <87vdyzxype.fsf@saeurebad.de> <871w1njq32.fsf@catnip.gol.com> <87iquzxgtk.fsf@saeurebad.de> <4884CFEF.8040404@gmail.com> <48861A51.1090401@gmail.com> <20080724080727.GA3448@muc.de> <863alzd1mi.fsf@lola.quinscape.zz> <857ibayq3q.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1217052340 11278 80.91.229.12 (26 Jul 2008 06:05:40 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2008 06:05:40 +0000 (UTC) Cc: rms@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: David Kastrup Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Jul 26 08:06:29 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1KMcvC-00085X-Ek for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 26 Jul 2008 08:06:26 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:57002 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KMcuI-0006pR-I7 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 26 Jul 2008 02:05:30 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KMcuD-0006pE-3i for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 26 Jul 2008 02:05:25 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KMcuB-0006p2-BA for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 26 Jul 2008 02:05:23 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=34876 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KMcuB-0006oz-7Q for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 26 Jul 2008 02:05:23 -0400 Original-Received: from mtaout1.012.net.il ([84.95.2.1]:44014) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1KMcu3-00028X-3t; Sat, 26 Jul 2008 02:05:15 -0400 Original-Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([84.229.112.15]) by i-mtaout1.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0K4L0095JNIIDQG0@i-mtaout1.012.net.il>; Sat, 26 Jul 2008 09:03:54 +0300 (IDT) In-reply-to: <857ibayq3q.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Solaris 9.1 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:101497 Archived-At: > From: David Kastrup > Cc: rms@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org > Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2008 16:51:05 +0200 > > Eli Zaretskii writes: > > >> From: Richard M Stallman > >> Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2008 18:05:28 -0400 > >> Cc: lord@emf.net, drobinow@gmail.com, lennart.borgman@gmail.com, > >> hannes@saeurebad.de, emacs-devel@gnu.org, acm@muc.de, miles@gnu.org > >> > >> > When I ask myself, is the world better for having Emacs and Firefox > >> > running on Microsoft Windows, the answer is an unequivocal yes - > >> > people who hack on MS-Windows can thus do a better job. > >> > >> But their job does not in general benefit others. So we are creating > >> better opportunities for work that does not help the community. > >> > >> I agree. > > > > Are you saying that my hacking on the Windows Emacs doesn't benefit > > others, including Emacs on other platforms? > > You don't have time left for getting Emacs-Bidi to run on any platform, > right? Irrelevant: Emacs-Bidi cannot be done one hour at a time. > And there are a lot of other tasks that remain to be done in order > to arrive at freely available solutions for everyone Like what? > But it is a good idea to reevaluate one's priorities from time to time > and ask oneself about the net benefits. And "can people do freely now > what they could not before?" is a more important question for the GNU > project than "can people do on a proprietary platform now what they > could only do on a free one before?". True, but not at all related to my original question above.